Ray Hofman sets new World Record.

[TCT]

1. One-mile racing is in its infancy. Like drag racing in the 1940s and 50s before the NHRA. There is no sanctioning body, there are no set standards.

Chip Beck
Moderator
Ford GT Forum

Now, who wished they were a part of the forming of the NHRA. What a legacy.

Now, a person with vision/resources/motivation could create that same legacy by forming a sanctioning body for this type of event.

Great post Chip.

 

[AtomicGT]

CHiP

My friend, you have arrived at a position we have not had the pleasure of experiecing since Bony passed away. Excellent management of the forum threads. :cheers

 

[THamonGT]

Very well said Chip, as only you could put it. NOW LETS GO FROM THERE. Tomy Hamon

 

[ivanrho]

Well spoken Chip. Wish I had written that.

 

[Silverbullitt]

Sorry that I'm late to the party Ray. I heard about your run yesterday, but could not find this thread. It was kind of embarrasing that my viper buddies had to clue me in. I can wait to see you in Goliad again. Let me know when you are in Austin.

I guess the longest running argument on this forum about the fastest color has been put to bed.

Chris

 

[matt@performancepower]

From Johnny Bohmer

To all standing mile racing enthusiasts,

After consulting with my team, my lawyer and my therapist I find that I cannot follow their advice and leave this alone. With no offense to Ray Hofman, I am 100% sure that the speed credited to him on Sunday’s run at the Exotics Rally is incorrect. Why do I feel so strongly? It’s simple logic.

Here is Ray Hofman’s run at the Texas Mile in March.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db6zuZjWCmE

At Texas (after 3 days of runs and on his final attempt) Ray distinctly goes through five gears (not six) and reaches the mile marker in 24 seconds. His time credited was 249.7mph. So far I have not seen a video of his fastest run at the Exotics Rally. DragTimes.com does show part of a run, but it cuts off before completion.

“For those who were interested, Ray took 24.1 seconds to cover the standing mile.”
– Heffner Performance

How then is it possible to gain over 16 miles per hour and take longer to get to the finish line?
I cannot leave this alone because my business depends on verifiable accuracy. One person called this a game “played by intense individuals for personal satisfaction.” I can assure you that this is no game for PPR. Unsubstantiated claims hurt my business as well as my credibility. If I‘m wrong, I will…

“accept the results, and enjoy the camaraderie of fellow competitors and fans.”

But as of now, there has been no video, no data, no timing slips, absolutely nothing to verify the claims being tossed around. Jason Heffner would need to step up to the plate and post data and an in-car video of his 266.9 run for me to be satisfied.

My verifiable 252.97mph run at Top Gun Run took almost 24 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9vMQRIp1E

My best run at Exotics Rally, where I was told I went 255mph, (yet received no timing slips even asking for them five times) took 23.1 seconds. Unfortunately an electronic malfunction kills our data half-way through the run, but here is the video. You can time it for yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4aZx3aM7I

If Ray Hofman’s legitimately ran 266.9mph then there should be nothing stopping them from posting the video and data to back it up. Hell, when we set our record we were so proud that we had the video up that same night. Also, I haven’t seen Jason or Ray claim the mph the car ran. Sometimes it’s the things that aren’t said that speak the loudest. This isn’t sour grapes. I’m a shop owner playing this "game" with my own money and have an enormous amount of respect for anyone participating in this insane event. I just don’t like losing when the data (or lack of it) might say otherwise.

I propose a heads-up race between the top three tuners in the world. This would be great for the sport and would settle any disputes. Any takers??

Johnny Bohmer
Performance Power Racing

 

[sandman]

For your own well being please get some perspective.

 

[BlackICE]

Too much heat in this thread! :thumbsdow

Just have all interested parties show up in TX, end of the story!

Let the cars do the talking, instead of questioning participants. If you want have a dispute take it up with those running the event and timing equipment, not the participants.

 

[DoctorV8]

I propose a heads-up race between the top three tuners in the world. This would be great for the sport and would settle any disputes. Any takers??

Johnny Bohmer
Performance Power Racing

I think, come October in Goliad, your wish shall be granted.

 

[sr71]

The 1/4 mile drag race is all about ET; the Mile, in its infancy seems to be more about final speed. This feels right, but should be clearly set out at the beginning.

We've all seen that 1/4 milers who get to a max speed early and hold it to the finish line, can have a lower ET than a car that accelerates more slowly to a higher top speed at the finish. It changes the race objectives entirely. Tends to become highly concerned with TIME over distance formulas and gearing.

But at least it seems like he's finally having someone proof read his latest.

 

[ivanrho]

The 1/4 mile drag race is all about ET; the Mile, in its infancy seems to be more about final speed. This feels right, but should be clearly set out at the beginning.

We've all seen that 1/4 milers who get to a max speed early and hold it to the finish line, can have a lower ET than a car that accelerates more slowly to a higher top speed at the finish. It changes the race objectives entirely. Tends to become highly concerned with TIME over distance formulas and gearing.

But at least it seems like he's finally having someone proof read his latest.

Yes and No. Sometimes you don't get a good launch so your ET is higher than desired, but your MPH is a good indication of where you want to be. It's all about launch. There is no ET for the Mile because the way the timing is done, doesn't allow for it, but I'm certain if it were possible, we're basically doing the same exact thing, but running a track that is 4 times longer.

Mile Racing is all about power, gears, and aerodynamics. The latter is where the Ford GT excels over other cars. Plus the huge engine bay doesn't hurt.

 

[Shadowman]

To all standing mile racing enthusiasts,

After consulting with my team, my lawyer and my therapist I find that I cannot follow their advice and leave this alone. With no offense to Ray Hofman, I am 100% sure that the speed credited to him on Sunday’s run at the Exotics Rally is incorrect. Why do I feel so strongly? It’s simple logic.

Here is Ray Hofman’s run at the Texas Mile in March.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db6zuZjWCmE

At Texas (after 3 days of runs and on his final attempt) Ray distinctly goes through five gears (not six) and reaches the mile marker in 24 seconds. His time credited was 249.7mph. So far I have not seen a video of his fastest run at the Exotics Rally. DragTimes.com does show part of a run, but it cuts off before completion.



How then is it possible to gain over 16 miles per hour and take longer to get to the finish line?
I cannot leave this alone because my business depends on verifiable accuracy. One person called this a game “played by intense individuals for personal satisfaction.” I can assure you that this is no game for PPR. Unsubstantiated claims hurt my business as well as my credibility. If I‘m wrong, I will…



But as of now, there has been no video, no data, no timing slips, absolutely nothing to verify the claims being tossed around. Jason Heffner would need to step up to the plate and post data and an in-car video of his 266.9 run for me to be satisfied.

My verifiable 252.97mph run at Top Gun Run took almost 24 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9vMQRIp1E

My best run at Exotics Rally, where I was told I went 255mph, (yet received no timing slips even asking for them five times) took 23.1 seconds. Unfortunately an electronic malfunction kills our data half-way through the run, but here is the video. You can time it for yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4aZx3aM7I

If Ray Hofman’s legitimately ran 266.9mph then there should be nothing stopping them from posting the video and data to back it up. Hell, when we set our record we were so proud that we had the video up that same night. Also, I haven’t seen Jason or Ray claim the mph the car ran. Sometimes it’s the things that aren’t said that speak the loudest. This isn’t sour grapes. I’m a shop owner playing this "game" with my own money and have an enormous amount of respect for anyone participating in this insane event. I just don’t like losing when the data (or lack of it) might say otherwise.

I propose a heads-up race between the top three tuners in the world. This would be great for the sport and would settle any disputes. Any takers??

Johnny Bohmer
Performance Power Racing

I heard much of this weekend from several folks and even with the less than accurate timing at the onset of the event and the elements of chaos throughout to a person they shared that a good time was had.

Having said this; friendly competition is a wonderful thing and can make for some great moments in time however when bitterness sets in the dynamics of the event changes drastically and all too often and IMO sadly the fun is lost.

I encourage you to remain focused on your personal goals and do as you and your team can to make them happen and worries less about the others and their efforts and in the end it will remain enjoyable for all; including yourself and your team.

Takes care

Shadowman

 

[BlackICE]

...I encourage you to remain focused on your personal goals and do as you and your team can to make them happen and worries less about the others and their efforts and in the end it will remain enjoyable for all; including yourself and your team.

Takes care

Shadowman

Well said. :thumbsup

 

[ChipBeck]

"my lawyer and my therapist"

After consulting with my team, my lawyer and my therapist I find that I cannot follow their advice and leave this alone. With no offense to Ray Hofman, I am 100% sure that the speed credited to him on Sunday’s run at the Exotics Rally is incorrect. Why do I feel so strongly? It’s simple logic.

At Texas (after 3 days of runs and on his final attempt) Ray distinctly goes through five gears (not six) and reaches the mile marker in 24 seconds. His time credited was 249.7mph.

How then is it possible to gain over 16 miles per hour and take longer to get to the finish line?

Johnny,

I'm going to suggest that you switch to decaf. There's something about Florida that makes folks demand a recount when they don't like a result. I don't speak for Ray Hoffman, I speak for myself. You've been involved in motorsport for some time, have had a lot of success, and you already know the answer to your question. In drag racing, how many times have you seen a car WIN with a lower ET and beat a car that had a higher trap speed? It happens all the time. If highest trap speed determined the win in Drag Racing a whole lot of results would change. Good grief. But in one mile racing, ET doesn't mean anything, only trap speed matters.

Ray's car has a bone stock 6 speed FGT transmission and stock halfshafts and he has never used 6th gear on any mile run. Ray's only spare halfshaft was consumed on Thursday when he broke one during a hard launch. From then on he had to baby the car off the line as another blown halfshaft would mean the end of the weekend. Look at the video and see how much time (but not distance) he was using easing the car off the line. If I bogged my TT GT off the line, stalled it 5 feet from the start line, and restarted, I could still go 210 MPH with a 60 second ET.

The GT that Hofman was running in Florida was very different than the untested and never dynoed GT you saw in the Texas Mile video. The Ford GT you will see in Texas this October will be completely different again. 266 is in the rear view mirror. You'll need to run faster than that to "get 'er dun" in Texas. Or, if you think the 266 was bogus, you're in luck. Just run a 269 in Texas and see how that works out for you.

But as of now, there has been no video, no data, no timing slips, absolutely nothing to verify the claims being tossed around. Jason Heffner would need to step up to the plate and post data and an in-car video of his 266.9 run for me to be satisfied.

Here you are out of line. I was there when Ray's timing sheet was printed out and held it in my own hands. I also verified with event officials that it was the fastest run of the day.

This isn’t sour grapes. I’m a shop owner playing this "game" with my own money and have an enormous amount of respect for anyone participating in this insane event. I just don’t like losing when the data (or lack of it) might say otherwise.

Oh....no certainly not. Who's money is Ray playing with?

I propose a heads-up race between the top three tuners in the world. This would be great for the sport and would settle any disputes. Any takers??

Johnny Bohmer
Performance Power Racing

I really want to like you guys but you're making it tough. When it comes to making the Ford GT haul ass, you are rock stars. Your off track M.O. is wound a bit too tight however. One race, either the last one or the next one, doesn't settle anything except for who was faster that day. Hofman Motorsports and Underground Racing don't have any disputes with you or anybody else. We do this for fun. It's a good excuse for a bunch of us to get together and have a great time. Fast speeds are cool but you don't have to observe him for very long to see what's really important to Ray Hofman.

At the last Texas Mile, 6 different GT owners including Ray helped me out to improve my speeds. On my last run when the spectator display flashed 220.1, Ray got out of his GT, and drove with his crew over 3/4 of a mile to where my rig was parked to shake my hand and tell me exactly the same thing he will tell you if you come out on top at the Texas Mile, "Congratulations, well done".

Chip

P.S. Damn, you've drawn me into a pissing match. I'm gonna have to delete my own post. :willy

 

[BlackICE]

Ray, nice father and son photo. Your kids will make you smile more than even breaking the standing mile record! :cheers

BTW are those Hoosiers with a custom cut thread pattern?

 

[MAD IN NC]

YAHOOOOOOO Ray! You have once again proved "RED" is the slowest and the FGT is the fastest.....


Thanks Jason and Ray!

 

[Mullet]

I suggest Performance Products post their Vobx data and Ray post his.

 

[BlackICE]

I suggest Performance Products post their Vobx data and Ray post his.

Would prove squat. The files are text and can easily be modified if one was dishonest. Not that anyone on this forum would do such as thing.

 

[Mullet]

Would prove squat. The files are text and can easily be modified if one was dishonest. Not that anyone on this forum would do such as thing.

Well, I believe Ray and Heffner are stand up guys. I would trust what they post. At some point someone or someone's timing equipment has to be trusted.

 

[BlackICE]

Well, I believe Ray and Heffner are stand up guys. I would trust what they post. At some point someone or someone's timing equipment has to be trusted.

I agree, but if someone questions the accuracy of the official event timer, they would be even less likely to accept the results of a file that can be modified.