Ray Hofman sets new World Record.
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Mullet
FORD GT OWNER
depending on how hard he was hitting it at the beginning it would not be able to give terminal speed.
Mullet
FORD GT OWNER
tell him to hit it earlier.....my 224 mph run took 24.67 :wink
I'd love to compare his Vbox data to mine to see just how hard he is pulling from the 1/2 mile mark.
tpraceman
THEE GT OWNER
OK Heff........So all I need is to drop the car off to you for a day and get TT's
Then have John M. rub the TB with his hands
But do I really need to paint it yellow:rofl:rofl:rofl
Oh and Ray I need to borrow your check book
Then have John M. rub the TB with his hands
But do I really need to paint it yellow:rofl:rofl:rofl
Oh and Ray I need to borrow your check book
- Feb 22, 2006
- 367
Nicely said, John. I really can't say how happy I am to be working with someone who is as knowledgeable and dedicated as you are. After nearly fifteen years of knowing each other I'm glad that we were able to get together on such a monumental project. Thank you.:thumbsup
matt@performancepower
Permanent Vacation
- Mar 15, 2010
- 9
this is are last post on this:
the fact that there are a few cars out there running 250+ is awsome.
We would like to clarify the concernes with our security,
we had recieved many calls at our shop 3 days befor the race, people saying they hope we crash and burn and that we better watch our car... recieving threats is something we dont play with. We have friends in the security business and offered to join us for the day.
with the concern about the qualifications of the security we brought with us:
Our security had all licenses needed to be legally on premise, so calling the sheriff would have been a waste of time he was 100% legally allowed to be there and brought all creditials with him. actually has more creditials than whatever officer would have checked him out.
-cwp-, -G license-,class 1, licensed private investigator,and bounty hunter, bailbonds men, 20yrs of marksman training with expert scores in many shooting clubs and organizations across south florida.personal body guard for many high end clients.
The weapon was not loaded we are filming a reality tv show. which is why we brought the excessive props. We should have explained this to everyone involved. we do apoligise for any safety concerns that anyone had with this. once we realized the hole event was a flop we figured we would have some fun with it. no one was in danger it made for great film and every one went home safe, and clearly had made for tremendous "internet chat".
If we offended ray or his family we apoligise greatly and understand that it may not have been the most appropriate action.
As for the cars, we were ready to run heads up, are fast pass at 267 was 22.1 seconds long and the record run from march was 23.6 sec at 252mph...... are last pass sunday 247.6mph was 24.5 sec.....
As for jasons response on wanting to go out and run with the fast cars for the day thats cool and how we felt once we realised the timing concerns. but at the same time agreed with him that whatever happended that day couldnt be set as a record. so to call the days results a new world record is inaccurate per jasons conversation with johnny and I. for rays car with 2200hp and are car with 1200hp and the lambos with 1400hp texas should be exciting.
-like we said earlier october texas mile will be interesting. untill then we will continue driving the streets of palm beach and surrounding areas in the little white gt.-
the fact that there are a few cars out there running 250+ is awsome.
We would like to clarify the concernes with our security,
we had recieved many calls at our shop 3 days befor the race, people saying they hope we crash and burn and that we better watch our car... recieving threats is something we dont play with. We have friends in the security business and offered to join us for the day.
with the concern about the qualifications of the security we brought with us:
Our security had all licenses needed to be legally on premise, so calling the sheriff would have been a waste of time he was 100% legally allowed to be there and brought all creditials with him. actually has more creditials than whatever officer would have checked him out.
-cwp-, -G license-,class 1, licensed private investigator,and bounty hunter, bailbonds men, 20yrs of marksman training with expert scores in many shooting clubs and organizations across south florida.personal body guard for many high end clients.
The weapon was not loaded we are filming a reality tv show. which is why we brought the excessive props. We should have explained this to everyone involved. we do apoligise for any safety concerns that anyone had with this. once we realized the hole event was a flop we figured we would have some fun with it. no one was in danger it made for great film and every one went home safe, and clearly had made for tremendous "internet chat".
If we offended ray or his family we apoligise greatly and understand that it may not have been the most appropriate action.
As for the cars, we were ready to run heads up, are fast pass at 267 was 22.1 seconds long and the record run from march was 23.6 sec at 252mph...... are last pass sunday 247.6mph was 24.5 sec.....
As for jasons response on wanting to go out and run with the fast cars for the day thats cool and how we felt once we realised the timing concerns. but at the same time agreed with him that whatever happended that day couldnt be set as a record. so to call the days results a new world record is inaccurate per jasons conversation with johnny and I. for rays car with 2200hp and are car with 1200hp and the lambos with 1400hp texas should be exciting.
-like we said earlier october texas mile will be interesting. untill then we will continue driving the streets of palm beach and surrounding areas in the little white gt.-
ByeEnzo
GT
WTF? This is like "Grand Theft Auto" with a Flock of Seagulls soundtrack playing in the background.
Which is why...
The gun had no bullets and was a prop? Guns are not props. "Unloaded" guns have killed many people.
If someone were legitimately concerned and stuck a guy out there covered in unloaded guns as bait, I'd be pretty bummed when a real threat turned him into swiss cheese as the first obvious target. :lol Ay yay yay! If they were concerned with filming a TV show, people should have been notified.
With all due respect, that's completely untrue. Introducing a prop gun(s) into the equation without telling anyone definitely puts someone in danger, most of all, Prop Guy.
Best of luck and please be safe.
- Feb 22, 2006
- 367
Good for you, Matt. Don't let these guys drag you to their level. :lol
Man, how awesome is it that you can combine the talents of Heffner and his team with the &^% legend of John Mihovetz (and the balls/insight/courage/vision of Ray and family). What a friggen' great combination of people, talent, and experience! In the business world, it is often said that when you can align all of the *stars* like this, great things can happen - and we have the luxury to witness that first hand.
Hat's off to all of you.... and keep going!!
As for safety, I have heard from all sides and I know there is a great disparity of rules and enforcement between all of these various venues - Mojave, Texas, and Miami.
In my view, this sport of mile racing is growing tremendously in popularity for all of the right reasons. However, as John pointed out, all can come to a screeching halt if there is an "incident" at any of the events. Safety concerns have to be and should be paramount to protect the fine people that are participating as well as the longevity of the sport in general. Yes, fire suits, helmets, arm restraints, etc are uncomfortable for many but it is a VERY small price to pay for the benefit of all.
The future and growth of this sport is in the hands of the organizers of these various venues. I think a lot has been learned in the past year. In general, I vote for keeping the safety standards/requirements very high.... and place a lot of diligence on creating an event that is very coordinated and operates very smoothly. It is the combination of high safety standards, sloppy enforcement , and dis-organization that can really start to detract from an event. Keep the standards high, communicate, communicate, communicate, and leverage a qualified team of individuals and we will have these events around for a long time!
Hat's off to all of you.... and keep going!!
As for safety, I have heard from all sides and I know there is a great disparity of rules and enforcement between all of these various venues - Mojave, Texas, and Miami.
In my view, this sport of mile racing is growing tremendously in popularity for all of the right reasons. However, as John pointed out, all can come to a screeching halt if there is an "incident" at any of the events. Safety concerns have to be and should be paramount to protect the fine people that are participating as well as the longevity of the sport in general. Yes, fire suits, helmets, arm restraints, etc are uncomfortable for many but it is a VERY small price to pay for the benefit of all.
The future and growth of this sport is in the hands of the organizers of these various venues. I think a lot has been learned in the past year. In general, I vote for keeping the safety standards/requirements very high.... and place a lot of diligence on creating an event that is very coordinated and operates very smoothly. It is the combination of high safety standards, sloppy enforcement , and dis-organization that can really start to detract from an event. Keep the standards high, communicate, communicate, communicate, and leverage a qualified team of individuals and we will have these events around for a long time!
Fast Freddy
GPS'D 225 MPH
can you guys show me how to hit 250 with 1200hp? :rofl
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Fubar
Totally ****** Up
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Gentlemen,
I've just deleted about 20 posts from this thread. Starting an internet pissing match of claims, counterclaims, accusations, and denials is counterproductive to the enjoyment and good fellowship this site is all about.
I believe a couple things need to be pointed out however that are inarguable.
1. One-mile racing is in its infancy. Like drag racing in the 1940s and 50s before the NHRA. There is no sanctioning body, there are no set standards. The oldest and most experienced entity conducting this type of event is the Texas Mile. Their method of timing which calculates an average speed at the end of the mile over a fairly long last segment of the course, results in a lower final speed for high-powered cars that are still accelerating hard at the end of the mile. The timing equipment used at the Miami Mile, assuming it is properly set up and calibrated, would issue a higher speed calculation than the equipment used at the Texas Mile for two high-powered cars running identical actual velocities.
2. Someday soon there will be a sanctioning body and established standards for speed calculation. But right now, the events are what they are. You have to show up, lay down your best runs, and accept the issued results. SW held the standing mile record for street cars for a couple years even though no sanctioning body certified his results at the Texas Mile. Performance Power set a new standard in Florida with their 252 run. When a couple members of this Forum wanted to call those results into question because that number was set at a lower altitude and with more favorable timing equipment than those used at the Texas Mile, I would not allow it. Most of the cars running at that event in Florida, who had attended both events, were turning in speeds a full 10 miles an hour faster than their best results at the Texas Mile. Was there a problem with equipment in Florida or in Texas? We will never know. So the results are accepted and Performance Power received the accolade's that they had worked hard for and certainly deserved.
3. Which brings us to last weekend's event. I believe Performance Power made a couple good runs and did not receive a time slip. I know that Ray Hoffman made two good runs that also did not receive a time slip. But in the second part of the day, after final adjustments had been made to their equipment, it is certainly possible to compare the performance of the cars running late in the day. Absolute top speeds may not be comparable between events because of different timing equipment and methods used even if they are properly calibrated. And until a sanctioning body is formed and standards are set, it's going to continue to be that way.
4. Late in the day last Sunday, the "top 3" 1 mile cars in the world were assembled in one place (Performance Power, Underground Racing, Hoffman Motorsports), running in identical miserable conditions (15-18 mph headwind, high heat, and high humidity), and being measured by the same timing equipment (which did not blow over and was not recalibrated during the second half of the day). I was at the finish line all day Thursday and all day Sunday.
5. Ray Hoffman made a run into that stiff headwind and posted the highest top speed of the day (a result backed up by onboard V-box data as well). Performance Power came to the line about 30 minutes later and ran in conditions that, if anything, were slightly more favorable. The timing equipment had not been adjusted between Ray's run and Johnny's run. On this day, the result wasn't even close. We're not talking about a margin of error difference here. The 14 mph gap (as measured by the timers) between those two cars final runs was visible to the naked eye and those of us who were at the finish line did not need to see the time slips to tell us who had made the fastest run.
6. This is only one event, on one day, and it no more sets a "forever standard", settling "once and for all" who has the fastest car, than SW's time did in Texas, or Johnny's at the Miami Mile. There will be many more events, and hopefully many more cars in the mix among top 1 mile contenders. IndyCar Teams, NASCAR Teams, and NHRA Teams don't ever make claims that they are the top dog, have the fastest car, and no one else can compete. They go out every weekend, put forth their best effort, and must earn the right to call themselves a Champion. You'll never hear Roger Penske griping about conditions, officiating, or rules, and claiming that these invalidate his competitor's efforts and victorys, while loudly crowing about the Penske Team's successes on those weekends when things work out in their favor. I don't want to hear it here either.
The speeds posted and verified by onboard equipment at last weekend's event are so far in excess of the previous (also unsanctioned and unverified) World Record that they cannot be called into question without calling all other claimed World Mile Speed Records into question as well.
7. At the end of the day, this is just a game, played by intense individuals for the personal satisfaction that comes from having done something extraordinary. I have been privileged to watch one of the top teams operate and I respect and admire the efforts of competing teams as well. The men who put these amazing cars and crews together share a bond that should be far greater than any competitive animus. Let's leave the guns at home and the trash talking on the basketball court.
Put forth your best effort, run your best times, accept the results, and enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow competitors and fans. At the end of the weekend, win or lose, I'll buy the cocktails......and we'll see you at the next event. All the best.
Chip Beck
Moderator
Ford GT Forum
Gentlemen,
I've just deleted about 20 posts from this thread. Starting an internet pissing match of claims, counterclaims, accusations, and denials is counterproductive to the enjoyment and good fellowship this site is all about.
I believe a couple things need to be pointed out however that are inarguable.
1. One-mile racing is in its infancy. Like drag racing in the 1940s and 50s before the NHRA. There is no sanctioning body, there are no set standards. The oldest and most experienced entity conducting this type of event is the Texas Mile. Their method of timing which calculates an average speed at the end of the mile over a fairly long last segment of the course, results in a lower final speed for high-powered cars that are still accelerating hard at the end of the mile. The timing equipment used at the Miami Mile, assuming it is properly set up and calibrated, would issue a higher speed calculation than the equipment used at the Texas Mile for two high-powered cars running identical actual velocities.
2. Someday soon there will be a sanctioning body and established standards for speed calculation. But right now, the events are what they are. You have to show up, lay down your best runs, and accept the issued results. SW held the standing mile record for street cars for a couple years even though no sanctioning body certified his results at the Texas Mile. Performance Power set a new standard in Florida with their 252 run. When a couple members of this Forum wanted to call those results into question because that number was set at a lower altitude and with more favorable timing equipment than those used at the Texas Mile, I would not allow it. Most of the cars running at that event in Florida, who had attended both events, were turning in speeds a full 10 miles an hour faster than their best results at the Texas Mile. Was there a problem with equipment in Florida or in Texas? We will never know. So the results are accepted and Performance Power received the accolade's that they had worked hard for and certainly deserved.
3. Which brings us to last weekend's event. I believe Performance Power made a couple good runs and did not receive a time slip. I know that Ray Hoffman made two good runs that also did not receive a time slip. But in the second part of the day, after final adjustments had been made to their equipment, it is certainly possible to compare the performance of the cars running late in the day. Absolute top speeds may not be comparable between events because of different timing equipment and methods used even if they are properly calibrated. And until a sanctioning body is formed and standards are set, it's going to continue to be that way.
4. Late in the day last Sunday, the "top 3" 1 mile cars in the world were assembled in one place (Performance Power, Underground Racing, Hoffman Motorsports), running in identical miserable conditions (15-18 mph headwind, high heat, and high humidity), and being measured by the same timing equipment (which did not blow over and was not recalibrated during the second half of the day). I was at the finish line all day Thursday and all day Sunday.
5. Ray Hoffman made a run into that stiff headwind and posted the highest top speed of the day (a result backed up by onboard V-box data as well). Performance Power came to the line about 30 minutes later and ran in conditions that, if anything, were slightly more favorable. The timing equipment had not been adjusted between Ray's run and Johnny's run. On this day, the result wasn't even close. We're not talking about a margin of error difference here. The 14 mph gap (as measured by the timers) between those two cars final runs was visible to the naked eye and those of us who were at the finish line did not need to see the time slips to tell us who had made the fastest run.
6. This is only one event, on one day, and it no more sets a "forever standard", settling "once and for all" who has the fastest car, than SW's time did in Texas, or Johnny's at the Miami Mile. There will be many more events, and hopefully many more cars in the mix among top 1 mile contenders. IndyCar Teams, NASCAR Teams, and NHRA Teams don't ever make claims that they are the top dog, have the fastest car, and no one else can compete. They go out every weekend, put forth their best effort, and must earn the right to call themselves a Champion. You'll never hear Roger Penske griping about conditions, officiating, or rules, and claiming that these invalidate his competitor's efforts and victorys, while loudly crowing about the Penske Team's successes on those weekends when things work out in their favor. I don't want to hear it here either.
The speeds posted and verified by onboard equipment at last weekend's event are so far in excess of the previous (also unsanctioned and unverified) World Record that they cannot be called into question without calling all other claimed World Mile Speed Records into question as well.
7. At the end of the day, this is just a game, played by intense individuals for the personal satisfaction that comes from having done something extraordinary. I have been privileged to watch one of the top teams operate and I respect and admire the efforts of competing teams as well. The men who put these amazing cars and crews together share a bond that should be far greater than any competitive animus. Let's leave the guns at home and the trash talking on the basketball court.
Put forth your best effort, run your best times, accept the results, and enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow competitors and fans. At the end of the weekend, win or lose, I'll buy the cocktails......and we'll see you at the next event. All the best.
Chip Beck
Moderator
Ford GT Forum
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Mullet
FORD GT OWNER
tpraceman
THEE GT OWNER
Ray is great forum member and has posted and helped many of us here with good friendship & good example & good humor & good advice & backs it up in a huge way with his car (and for many his wallet).:cheers
So we take great pleasure in congratulating him on an awesome accomplishment many of us non yellow car guys can only live precariously through his helmet windshield and grin.:thumbsup
Now Chip, send me some yellow paint would yah. I'll hit Jason up for those blow dryers later.:biggrin:biggrin:biggrin
Oh and Chip, Bony would be proud of your moderating skills
So we take great pleasure in congratulating him on an awesome accomplishment many of us non yellow car guys can only live precariously through his helmet windshield and grin.:thumbsup
Now Chip, send me some yellow paint would yah. I'll hit Jason up for those blow dryers later.:biggrin:biggrin:biggrin
Oh and Chip, Bony would be proud of your moderating skills
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skyrex
FORD GT OWNER
Some really great posts since yesterday, especially yours Chip. :thumbsup
I had a similiar conversation with Richard Hille a couple of weeks ago and he stated the same thing. One big safety incident/fatal wreck and this whole fun time could come to a screeching halt. Fun, safe and in the end good comaraderie should be the goal of any event.
Me personally, I set goals for myself and see if I meet them. Next up, TT upgrade and consistent 200mph runs. :banana
I can't even fathom driving as fast as Ray is. :lol :cheers
I had a similiar conversation with Richard Hille a couple of weeks ago and he stated the same thing. One big safety incident/fatal wreck and this whole fun time could come to a screeching halt. Fun, safe and in the end good comaraderie should be the goal of any event.
Me personally, I set goals for myself and see if I meet them. Next up, TT upgrade and consistent 200mph runs. :banana
I can't even fathom driving as fast as Ray is. :lol :cheers
Hennessey Performance
GT Owner
- Mar 15, 2006
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