BlackICE
GT Owner
Silverbullitt
GT Owner
Those seats look like Ford GT seats 5 years into the future. Oh wait it is 5 years into the future.
The Boss should be easier to get at or below sticker if GT500 volume is the same.
The Boss should be easier to get at or below sticker if GT500 volume is the same.
Like I said, Chevy is screwed. There is no way they are producing a camaro that makes significantly more horsepower than their top model $120k Corvette. If they somehow decided on that marketing fiasco being appropriate, which I highly doubt would ever happen, they would still be screwed because the GT500 is way detuned at 650 hp. Its made significantly more at the wheels than ZL1 makes at the crank. (if you believe the 580 hp press release)
And yes, our beloved GT is no longer the fastest Ford ever. The 2013 GT500 is easily faster around VIR. It's about the same in a straight line. I was in the car in an early variation and it feels a little faster from the passenger seat, but that's probably because its a little rougher of a ride. It feels nothing like the old GT500. The engine pulls hard and pulls longer at higher rpm. Has a very Ford GT feel to it. Love the gearing.
And yes, our beloved GT is no longer the fastest Ford ever. The 2013 GT500 is easily faster around VIR. It's about the same in a straight line. I was in the car in an early variation and it feels a little faster from the passenger seat, but that's probably because its a little rougher of a ride. It feels nothing like the old GT500. The engine pulls hard and pulls longer at higher rpm. Has a very Ford GT feel to it. Love the gearing.
KJD
GT Owner
Amazing capabilities and #s in this latest/greatest Mustang, way to go Ford.
Even if the mighty Ford GT is surpassed in some ways.
Had to happen, I'm just amazed it happened so fast and at such a great value.
We're living in fascinating times, and especially so if one loves automobiles.
Even if the mighty Ford GT is surpassed in some ways.
Had to happen, I'm just amazed it happened so fast and at such a great value.
We're living in fascinating times, and especially so if one loves automobiles.
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HHGT
Guest
The Enzo is no longer the fastest Ferrari but it holds its place in history, as do our GTs. Well done Ford.
Pulley upgrade!
Pulley upgrade!
Silverbullitt
GT Owner
No and No.... GT500 still has Gt heads and it just recieved a 3.700 bore versus the 3.552 bore of the 5.4 motor.
Empty Pockets
ex-GT Owner
...which could be remedied by 'upping' the ZR1 to 700 or 750 h.p. at the same time. (Yes I know that takes time to accomplish, but, you see my point.)
All I'm saying is what I said before. If G.M. sets the mark at "X" h.p....Ford responds by resetting it to "X+Y" h.p. ...then G.M. bests that... then Ford bests that...and on and on until 'traction', or you-know-who (whom?), puts a stop to it. Personally, I think we're at the point right now where traction will have to be addressed, or all this extra h.p. will amount to is bragging rights at a bench racing session.
It's going to be fun to watch anyway!
Edit: 'Just got to thinking (yeah, that surprised me too) - where's Mopar in all this! Yeah, I know they're probably hurtin' for certain in the $$$ dept, but at some point they're going to have to step into the frey, aren't they?
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twobjshelbys
GT Owner
Wow, that's a pretty bold and amazing jump in performance. Who says American V8 Muscle Cars are dead? This just breathed life back into the Shelby series. And they'll stamp 'em out like cupcakes. The wicked automatic will clean em up. It'll be a drag racer's dream - they never miss a shift. 
Colton74
GT Owner
Certainly very impressive. Just had a huge GM fan walk out of my office admitting that they may be defeated (for now).
I totally agree on the traction issue, will be interesting to see head to head comparisons with the ZL1 when they both come out.
Does anyone know when one could order and hope to receive the new GT500?
I totally agree on the traction issue, will be interesting to see head to head comparisons with the ZL1 when they both come out.
Does anyone know when one could order and hope to receive the new GT500?
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HHGT
Guest
And GM's response....
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 – 0-60 in 3.9 secs for $54,995
Just hours after Ford’s public announcement of the facts and figures on the new 2013 Ford Shelby GT 500 Mustang – a staggering 650 horsepower and 600 lb-ft of torque, and a top speed of 200 miles per hour, Chevrolet has countered with numbers of its own for the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1.
The previously-announced 580 horsepower and 556 lb-ft produced by the Camaro ZL1’s LSA supercharged V-8 helps the boosted pony to deliver 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, the quarter-mile in 12 seconds flat, and a top speed of 184 miles per hour. This, for the bargain price of $54,995, including a $900 delivery fee.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/2012-chev...-3-9-secs-for-54995-135899.html#ixzz1dnPoqkwI
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 – 0-60 in 3.9 secs for $54,995
Just hours after Ford’s public announcement of the facts and figures on the new 2013 Ford Shelby GT 500 Mustang – a staggering 650 horsepower and 600 lb-ft of torque, and a top speed of 200 miles per hour, Chevrolet has countered with numbers of its own for the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1.
The previously-announced 580 horsepower and 556 lb-ft produced by the Camaro ZL1’s LSA supercharged V-8 helps the boosted pony to deliver 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, the quarter-mile in 12 seconds flat, and a top speed of 184 miles per hour. This, for the bargain price of $54,995, including a $900 delivery fee.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/2012-chev...-3-9-secs-for-54995-135899.html#ixzz1dnPoqkwI
That's not much of a response. I can tell you now there's some hurt feelings in the GM camp after all the hyperbolic smack talking they did. They really put the cart before the horse, which is strange in a town where everyone knows what everyone else is doing. For the life of me, I can't figure out why they would say "more power and torque than our competitors" and all this stuff about "performance unrivaled for the category" yada yada when it's been pretty common knowledge SVT was about to drop a bomb. Well they were right for about 5 minutes, but too bad nobody drove one while it was true. 12.0@119 isn't much better than what a current GT500 will do. It's far behind what a 2013 GT500 will do. I'm telling you now that the GT500 will go 125+ in the quarter without much hassle, and that's on 285 tires with an unprepared surface. Stick tires on the GT500 and I'll bet you $50 Evan Smith runs a 10 in a stock GT500 at E-town.
As for one upping each other, GM is dealing with a number of realities that do not give it the flexibility Ford has. ZR-1 has been 638 hp for 4 years. Z06 has been 505 hp for 7 years. It's not for lack of competition, and while they've made big time improvements, the improvement that counts most in the muscle car category is the ability to blast the dude next to you.
As for one upping each other, GM is dealing with a number of realities that do not give it the flexibility Ford has. ZR-1 has been 638 hp for 4 years. Z06 has been 505 hp for 7 years. It's not for lack of competition, and while they've made big time improvements, the improvement that counts most in the muscle car category is the ability to blast the dude next to you.
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HHGT
Guest
Silverbullitt
GT Owner
I think it is time for Hitler to get the news that his ZL1 is done before he receives delivery. Everyone that does not have a ZL1 on order leave the room!!!!!!
Silverbullitt
GT Owner
Maybe this is a mustang gt cluster? 7K redline on the tach. If it is just art someone forgot to update the speedo.
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