The New Shelby GT350


on d bit said:
The E60 was the 5.0 500hp motor which does qualify. The new F10 has the new 4.4 turbocharged motor.
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Yep. Thanks..
 
Sinovac said:
Bill, all the engines you mentioned are forced induction. 100hp/liter for a NA motor is impressive for a fully warrantied street car in the price range of the GT350. When I was growing up 100hp/liter was the stuff of legend.

Edit: Dave beat me to the response.

Also, I can't think of any other domestic NA production engines that have had 100hp/liter.
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Ohhhhh, now I see the logic in the statement. I was just thinking of engine output versus engine displacement and not filtering the results with the induction charge method. Now that makes sense. Thanks for the gentle correction....
 
If memory serves, the Honda S2000 was way over the 100hp/L mark when introduced. I think it had 240hp/2 liters, (but granted, not a V8).
 
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Xcentric said:
2009 Ariel Atom. NA 3 liter, 500bhp = 167 hp/liter.
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:eek

Which engine is that?
 
djs said:
If memory serves, the Honda S2000 was way over the 100hp/L mark when introduced. I think it had 240hp/2 liters, (but granted, not a V8).
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You are correct, the F20C/F22C engines in the AP1/AP2 S2000s are amazing engines. They were eventually "downgraded" to 237bhp when some measuring requirement was changed by the government if I remember correctly, but either way you're still talking around 120bhp per liter (the F22C in the AP2 was actually 2.2L just as a sidenote). Also, if you were willing to shell out around 10K back in the day, you could pick up a Spoon built engine for that car that was supposedly making around 300bhp. Of course, that was not an OEM engine but a purpose built "race" engine so kind of an apples to oranges comparison.
 
2112 said:
:eek

Which engine is that?
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John Hartley designed V8. It was the fastest car around the Top Gear track for a couple of years.

IDK if the hp claim was independently tested.
 
The Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa (1957 - 1961) was a single overhead cam engine of 2,953 cc (180 cubic inches) and produced 300 PS (296 bhp - generally rounded up to 300). By 1961, improved tuning had increased to 315 bhp for a ratio of 107 bhp/liter.

1958 250 Testa Rossa
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250 Testa Rossa Engine
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1961 250 TR
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Ralphie, Do you believe those figures as accurate?
 
That was back in the days (pre-1971) when they reported output with GROSS engine hp (no accessories, no full exhaust, etc). In 1971 they started measuring in SAE net hp. Unless it was different over in Europe...
 
E46 M3 was 333hp on 3.2 L. 8000 rpm red line too.
I had an '02 M5 and I always felt my '06 M3 comp pack car was the better car.
 
The Honda S2000 engine was neat, but it felt like it had 25 ft/lbs of torque.
 
AMAZING shifter!! should be a benchmark for anyone making a manual (oh right they are dieing)....

Sinovac said:
The Honda S2000 engine was neat, but it felt like it had 25 ft/lbs of torque.
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Specracer said:
AMAZING shifter!! should be a benchmark for anyone making a manual (oh right they are dieing)....
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Not sure about Honda dying, but their shifter IS a benchmark for effort and feel.
 
Cobrar said:
Not sure about Honda dying, but their shifter IS a benchmark for effort and feel.
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I don't think Specracer meant Honda is dying, but the manual shifter is!!!!!
 
Hope so...
 
Cobrar said:
Not sure about Honda dying, but their shifter IS a benchmark for effort and feel.
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Let us know how good the manual is in your new NSX.
 
The owners manual says something about shift paddles, this is new ground, still looking for that center stick thing. :wink
 
Yes, Honda is fine, I'm sadly acknowledging the reality that manuals are slowly going. Hopefully there will continue to be some options, like the GT350 (attempt to get this thread back on track...)

nautoncall said:
I don't think Specracer meant Honda is dying, but the manual shifter is!!!!!
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And whats today's date? Even though the release was yesterday?
 
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