Shadowman's "Deep Massage" Therapy

[B O N Y]

Ice and Frankie might be headed for a little 'vacation' if they continue the shots across the bow....
some owners of white cars have the key to the administrative pannel of this forum

 

[BlackICE]

The admin and moderator, both have white GTs that have been modified. One with a Heffner pulley and tune and the other with a Whipple. If white was the fastest color, why were the mods done?

 

[dbk]

Our balls are so huge we are at an inherent weight disadvantage.

 

[fjpikul]

Boy, I just love this forum. I've said it many times before, but the witty remarks really make my stressful days easier. Bless you all, balls and all.

 

[Shadowman]

** UPDATE **

No I do not have answers; in fact if anything I have even more questions however in-between everything else the process continues.

Tonight I pulled the front of the gal's heart off and her heads to get a close look inside and was able to see details that the bore scope failed to give us a clear view of.

I will know more as a careful inspection of the pieces is completed and yet I wanted to share a bit of a visual update.

Takes care

Shadowman

 

[cobrar1339]

Was that a head gasket leaking?

Hard to tell what the piston looks like in that pic.

 

[TifosiTed]

Shadowman, Thanks for the pictures. A few questions if I may:

1. Did you have to pull the supercharger off before pulling the engine or was it already off as part of your failure investigation.

2. Piston head looks like it got peened by a foreign object. Did it drop a valve?

3. Shouldn't this be a warranty issue?

Thanks,

 

[Shadowman]

Shadowman, Thanks for the pictures. A few questions if I may:

1. Did you have to pull the supercharger off before pulling the engine or was it already off as part of your failure investigation.

2. Piston head looks like it got peened by a foreign object. Did it drop a valve?

3. Shouldn't this be a warranty issue?

Thanks,

The supercharger was removed during the process of pulling the gal's heart/

Prior to pulling it out we had already completed a leak down and placed a bore scope in the hole however the visual inspection was not conclusive.

Once the head was removed we found a damaged piston, rust on the cylinder bore, and a portion of a ring attempting to skate past of the exhaust valves.

Now as for warranty; this became an integrity issue

The owner of this gal was told that because she is modified that Ford would likely not cover the repairs however that a call to them would be made. He was also told that if the gal was presented to the dealership in OEM configuration then they likely would. He never so much as flinched when he (as I understand) said that he was not interested in presenting a false set of circumstance to Ford as such this is not a warranty repair.

This IMO speaks volumes about this person's integrity which BTW is a position that I fully support and respect.

I feel that if you play you pay; now certainly there are expectations of a given service life for a vehicle when presented by any OEM however when the usage and modifications are far from their solicited intent then I feel that warranty is no longer a consideration.

This saga will continue.........................................

Shadowman

 

[HeritageBruce]

I feel that if you play you pay; now certainly there are expectations of a given service life for a vehicle when presented by any OEM however when the usage and modifications are far from their solicited intent then I feel that warranty is no longer a consideration.

This saga will continue.........................................

Shadowman

Bill,
When you feel the time is right and the warranty issue is no longer a consideration, I wonder if you could share with us the modifications that were done on the car and boost levels, etc.
That picture of the rusted piston really made me sick in the stomach... :ack
Thanks.
Bruce

 

[Shadowman]

Bill,
When you feel the time is right and the warranty issue is no longer a consideration, I wonder if you could share with us the modifications that were done on the car and boost levels, etc.
That picture of the rusted piston really made me sick in the stomach... :ack
Thanks.
Bruce

Hi Bruce

Yes I will continue to fill in the blanks however I am taking my time so that which I share it based in fact rather than opinions.

At this time the rust; or better put the source of the water is my greatest concern and from there other questions will be answered.

FYI: the other 7 holes all apeared perfect.

Takes care

Shadowman

 

[cobrar1339]

A couple questions when you get a chance and if you can comment.

What did the spark plug look like?

Did you flow test the injectors yet?

 

[Shadowman]

A couple questions when you get a chance and if you can comment.

What did the spark plug look like?

Did you flow test the injectors yet?

They were tested as for normal operation prior to pulling the gal's heart however they have not been physically flowed out of the gal yet; they will be though

Thank you

Shadowman

 

[Shadowman]

**** UPDATE ****

Now for many the following pictures will be akin to "ying or yang" meaning that you may enjoy looking at them but be grimacing at the same time.

Let me share that for all but a few of you this level of massage will never be required however "if" you become one of the selected few fear not because it is not as ominous as it may appear

Now we took a bit of time to gather a few opinions while the gal's heart remained largely intact hoping that through the process of looking at the pieces as they were revealed once the heads came off as well as the multi layer head gaskets we could satisfy the basis of the problem; sadly this was not to be the case. The opinions shared were all over the board with only one common comment shared which was that she was definitely not happy. We then proceeded to disassemble her heart.

Now that her heart has been disassembled we will methodically pressure test and inspect the block and heads as well as the 16 fuel injectors hoping that we can define conclusively what happened before putting her back together again.

The first picture shows the "known bad piston" assembly removed which incidentally was the first one out. Now other than the face and the upper ring the remainder of the piston is intact and did not collapse as such the lower rings remain free and caused no secondary cylinder bore scoring. The skirts are Teflon coated; the wrist pins are floating and then add to this the connecting rod is a very nice piece particularly when one considers it to be an OEM piece.

The second picture shows all of her slugs aka pistons have been removed

The last pictures shows her swinging arm aka crank has been removed and the main caps placed back into position as they will need to be properly torqued before the machine phases begin. If you look closely you will see that once one of the machine steps required before these blocks could be assembled was the significant relief cut at the base of each cylinder bore to allow the large connecting rods to swing freely

Takes care

Shadowman

 

[Indy GT]

Hi Bill.
Watching your autopsy of the engine with interest. And you have rightly prefaced the disassembly saying this most likely will never occur to most GT owners. In the interest of explaining why/how you can make this statement to the general ownership, can you please give us some of the details as to HOW the engine was modified (higher SC pressures, higher timing, different "tune" than Ford OEM, NO2, alcohol intercooler spray, etc)? This would lend credibility (and most probably comfort to most owners who have not moded to this level) to the engine problem being a "customer induced" root cause and not a fault of the basic OEM design.
Thanks for the very interesting post-failure diagnosis and pictures!

 

[Shadowman]

Hi Bill.
Watching your autopsy of the engine with interest. And you have rightly prefaced the disassembly saying this most likely will never occur to most GT owners. In the interest of explaining why/how you can make this statement to the general ownership, can you please give us some of the details as to HOW the engine was modified (higher SC pressures, higher timing, different "tune" than Ford OEM, NO2, alcohol intercooler spray, etc)? This would lend credibility (and most probably comfort to most owners who have not moded to this level) to the engine problem being a "customer induced" root cause and not a fault of the basic OEM design.
Thanks for the very interesting post-failure diagnosis and pictures!

I remain reluctant to share the operating conditions of the gal until we have a firm handle on what caused the problem because I do not want folks to arbitrarily associate a twist or tweak with the failure. Very shortly I have all the data points collected and open issues confirmed at which point I will share the findings and then also share the operational condition of this gal.

I am truly not wanting to avoid the question but rather attempting to keep from having to answer many questions that at this point would be without confirmed associated merit

I hope that you understand

All the best

Shadowman

 

[cobrar1339]

I remain reluctant to share the operating conditions of the gal until we have a firm handle on what caused the problem because I do not want folks to arbitrarily associate a twist or tweak with the failure. Very shortly I have all the data points collected and open issues confirmed at which point I will share the findings and then also share the operational condition of this gal.

I am truly not wanting to avoid the question but rather attempting to keep from having to answer many questions that at this point would be without confirmed associated merit

I hope that you understand

All the best

Shadowman

Agreed, It would just be grounds for wild speculation without all the facts. Sounds like we have a real life episode of CSI Area51 .

No scoring is a good thing, Someone made a very good decision to shut her down when they did.

 

[Indy GT]

Understand

Thanks Bill, I understand your logic.
We await the developing discovery with interest!

 

[Shadowman]

**** UPDATE ****

Hopefully tomorrow; Sunday I will finally have the pictures inserted into the earlier thread. It appears that several members had been having a similar issue.

At this time the heads have gone out to be fully disassembled, inspected, and then flowed to see how they perform as OEM pieces and then we will begin to define this portion of the project's direction

Takes care

Shadowman

 

[shesgotlegs]

Thanks Bill, I understand your logic.
We await the developing discovery with interest!

Nice pun :wink

 

[Shadowman]

** UPDATE **

The pictures are now live

Thank you to all that helped with this issue

Regards

Shadowman