Owner Review: Porsche Carrera GT vs. Ford GT Part 1 of 4


Vince H

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Jul 23, 2012
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Very much enjoy reading these. Thanks so much for taking the time and sharing these. Both parts 1 and 2 put a big smile on my face. Your enthusiasm for both is apparent and I for one enjoy reading about it. All the best to you.

Vince H
 

Kayvan

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Epic

Mod: Sticky need of all mitty Reviews
 

Xcentric

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Automotive literature of the finest order.
 

KJRGT

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Thanks again for another automotive journey for us "wannabe Mr. Mitty's" to enjoy!
 

SBR

GT Owner
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I also have been eagerly awaiting this review, thanks for taking the time to do this.
 

w. mitty

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Owner Review; Part 3 of 4

4. HANDLING

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I’ve written before about my favorite Arizona canyon drive, down White Spar Road, through Peeples Valley and down Yarnell Hill (home of the recently tragic wildfire). I have used this road to compare all the cars I’ve owned, and it has given me a pretty decent baseline upon which to make a few judgments. I actually enjoy this environment much more than the race track, simply because I can drive easily within my limits and don’t feel like I’m beating on the car quite as much as is required at the track. The road is plenty challenging, however, and it reveals a car's real world capabilities.

The Carrera GT

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Earlier in this review, I made several comments about the Carrera GT being a thinly disguised race car. Accordingly, one must be willing to accept a few compromises when it comes to signal-to-signal city driving. Unsurprisingly, it is on the twisty mountain road where these peculiarities are utterly forgotten. Gear noise? What gear noise? Finicky clutch? Who needs 1st gear? The CGT is simple perfection in the canyon; the steering is transparent and immediate, there is virtually no body roll, and to exceed the car’s cornering capability on public roads would be impossible, barring the flagrant onset of idiocy. The car tracks like a hog on rails and goes immediately and precisely where you point it. The feel of the massive carbon brakes is awesome and far superior to the 458. This responsiveness makes driving the car delightful. The communicative chassis, which seems to give too much information while clomping over expansion joints on the freeway, now shines. I feel absolutely confident carving through banked apexes, partly because of the outward visibility, but also because I know what the car is doing underneath me. I’m not previously familiar with the dynamics of a pushrod suspension, so I don’t know if the brilliance of the handling is related to that configuration. I just know that it is superb, and driving the car in the proper environment is addictive. Piloting this car is an adventure, plain and simple. Wow. I have read comments that the CGT can be a bit difficult when driven at 10/10ths on the racetrack. However, I also understand that with the installation of more modern tires (Michelin Pilot Super Sports), the car is transformed. While I don't think I'll ever have the skill or the inclination to drive the car at 10/10ths, I did go ahead and install a set of the new Super Sport tires just in case. You never know when an emergency American Le Mans race may break out, and I want to be prepared.

Ford GT

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The GT is completely competent and feels quite at home in the canyon. However, the compromises that the GT does not make in general driving removes just a degree of sharpness from the experience in side-by-side comparison with the CGT. In fairness to the GT, I’m sure that if Ford engineers had been willing to make the GT ride like a milk wagon, they could have duplicated much of the hard wired handling responsiveness of the CGT. However, the balance of ride comfort and handling that they arrived at is perfectly suited to the car’s mission. It would not be fair to criticize the GT’s handling based soley on a comparison to the Porsche’s. They were obviously designed with different priorities in mind. The GT remains one of the best canyon cars I’ve owned, and it’s a fine day indeed when I get to take it through the paces of White Spar Road. I do wish that it had just a bit more steering feel.

I’ve taken the GT to the track several times, and it is just as friendly and drama free at the track as it in on the street. I recently took the Ferrari 458 and the GT to the track to drive them back-to-back. To my huge surprise, I found that I felt much more comfortable and competent it the GT. It really is that good, and such an easy car to drive quickly and smoothly. Well balanced and generally unflappable is the way I would describe the handling of the GT. The GT is the automotive equivalent of the Renaissance Man, capable and accomplished in a variety of ways. Ford, I declare thy work to be divine.

Winner: Carrera GT. But at some cost in other areas...

5. STYLING

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The topic of styling is so very subjective that it’s probably a waste of time discussing it. However, here are a few observations. The GT is a low, wide bullet of a car, and is simply spectacular when it’s on the road and viewed from another vehicle. Sometimes I ask my buddy to drive it while I follow just so I can see what it looks like on the road. I’m serious. The styling of the car has held up well over time, and we will never have to worry about it looking like last years model. To illustrate this point, consider the lowly Ferrari F430 compared to the fabulous 458. Will we still feel that way when the 458 is yesterdays model? In fact, I just looked at the pictures of the new 458 Speciale, and now all those guys who bought the standard 458 as the ultimate trophy of their success have a problem; its yesterday’s trophy. It doesn’t seem like that will ever be a concern with the GT. It was inspiringly cool to start with, and they ain’t gonna build any more of them. I was at the Miller Motorsport Museum last week, and resolved that the most beautiful car ever built was the diminutive and proportionally perfect GT40 Mark I. Right there with it, then, is the modern Ford GT. I’m so glad that I own one and that I get to go out to the garage and give it some love anytime I want to. I’ve met quite a few people who have never seen a GT until they saw mine, and many of these same folks will never see another.

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The Carrera GT is…interesting. I don’t mean that sarcastically. I’ve found that the longer I look at the CGT, the more attractive it becomes. The shape of the car and its exquisite quality are fascinating in a way that ordinary cars never could be. I’m not sure I like the way the cab just sort of “stops” at the B pillar. However, I love the low nose and those super boss screen covered humps that sit over the engine air intakes. The deployable rear spoiler is pure autobahn coolness, and the car’s low, wicked stance and big fat tires are pure Le Mans. The CGT is peculiar in the fact that the closer you get to the car, the more impressive it becomes. It’s the opposite of the Monet effect, where the pretty lady ain’t quite so pretty when you see her up close. The finish and detail of the car are just so exquisite that you can only appreciate it fully by examining it while standing within 10 feet. The interior of the CGT is a little more refined and aesthetically pleasing than the GT, but each interior is consistent with the overall theme of the respective car in which it sits.

WINNER: FORD GT. The GT is the more attractive design. I have to say that in a whisper. If the CGT hears me, it may try to tear my head off.

NEXT: CONCLUSIONS
 

ByeEnzo

GT
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Dec 10, 2005
2,299
Fort Worth, TX
The CGT is a nearly 10 year old car that still looks like it's from the future. After reading Mitty's excellent review, I had to go out to the garage and stare at mine. I also have about a thousand miles of seat time in my CGT which I also got from Shelby in Feb. of this year. I agree with Mitty's observations. The clutch takes a little getting used to, but other than that the car feels as planted and solid as a FGT. They complement each other well...the finest in American and Teutonic automotive engineering.
 

GT35065

GT Owner
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Anxiously awaiting the conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to compare the two cars with your expertise and wit. As a car guy, really entertaining to read. I still owe you a dollar. Do you take pay pal?
 

w. mitty

GT Owner
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Sep 1, 2005
704
Anxiously awaiting the conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to compare the two cars with your expertise and wit. As a car guy, really entertaining to read. I still owe you a dollar. Do you take pay pal?

No dollar required. Your kind words are payment in full :)
 

Ed Sims

GT Owner
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Apr 7, 2006
7,922
NorCal
I've driven both the FGT & CGT back to back and the quality of your narrative is hard to beat; however, I disagree with your decisions. If cost was not a factor I would choose the FGT (if I had a CGT I would sell it & buy 2 FGTs!) I think the FGT wins every category!

I like to check my engine oil level on a stick, I like the lump of an American hot rod road racer, I don't like a removable roof panel, I like the timeless look of the FGT. My list goes on.

I'm glad someone likes the CGT though. Keep the reviews coming Mitty! Great reading.

Ed
 

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BlackICE

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Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
This is Ed's report, nothing like Mitty's. Mitty is the master of car reviews!

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/s...T-vs-Carrera-GT-or-A-Winter-Day-In-California

Does the clutch get easier to use with practice, or is it always a PITA in stop and go traffic? I felt bad taking off from a stop slower than EP.
 

bonehead

GT Owner
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Aug 18, 2012
2,827
Houston, TX
Truly a well written and entertaining review of my two favorite super cars. Thank you for posting your impressions. Looking forward to 3 and 4!
 

RPM217

2005 white/blue stripe
Jun 18, 2010
1,664
Rye Brook, New York
This is Ed's report, nothing like Mitty's. Mitty is the master of car reviews!

I felt bad taking off from a stop slower than EP.
Sorry to disagree with you, but in order to "take off from a stop slower than EP", all you have to do is drive the car, speed is irrelevant!!!!
 

twobjshelbys

GT Owner
Jul 26, 2010
6,189
Las Vegas, NV
With that clutch it doesn't sound like the CGT would do well at the dragstrip.
 

Luke Warmwater

Permanent Vacation
Jul 29, 2009
1,414
Boondocks, Colorado
Taking a CGT to the drag strip should be grounds for confiscation and gifting to yours truly who would never subject such a fantastic car to such low brow abuse.
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
With that clutch it doesn't sound like the CGT would do well at the dragstrip.
Not unless you want to spend 25K+ on a new clutch.
 

bret a ewing

GT Owner
Nov 29, 2006
301
Wow 25k..? Mr Mitty should have a catagory for cost of ownership.
 

tmctguer

GT Owner
Jan 11, 2010
129
dana point, CA
very nice work! I too am a Porsche fan having owned a 1973 911E and a 1989 911 Speedster. I have often thought that one of the few cars that would bring a similar thrill as my GT would be a Carrera GT.

thanks for sharing your thoughts with the board.
 

w. mitty

GT Owner
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Sep 1, 2005
704
CONCLUDING THOUGHTS

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The Exotic Factor

Both the CGT and the GT epitomize what most people would call “exotic” cars. But have you ever stopped and thought about what that term actually means in this context? Webster’s definition serves quite well: “that which is strikingly, excitingly, or mysteriously different". If one where to place either the GT or the CGT next to an emasculated Prius or anemic Corolla, one would have no trouble agreeing they are indeed “strikingly, excitingly different.” The next question is which is the more exotic between the Porsche and the Ford? In this case, the nod certainly has to go to the Porsche. With the extensive use of carbon fiber, the race-derived inboard suspension, and the unique driving dynamics (including the wee clutch and the lack of rotational intertia of the engine) the CGT is in a league of its own. I’ve never had the pleasure of driving a Mclaren F1, an F40 or and F50, but I would guess that the CGT has more in common with these cars than it does with the GT. However, if we agree that the CGT is “strikingly, excitingly or mysteriously different” when compared with the average sports car, does that actually make it better? Could not the same have been said for the deplorable Delorean when it was released? Please stand back at a safe distance while I attempt to wrangle that dangerous question…

First, More Miscellaneous Boring Thoughts

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I generally hate open cars, simply because they are such a huge compromise to torsional rigidity. I suppose some guys would never even notice it, but one of my least favorite things in the world is to drive a convertible over a railroad crossing and feel the entire car shuddering around me. However, the great benefit of that spectacularly expensive carbon monocoque in the CGT is its resistance to twisting under load. I’m not sure how accurate they are, but several websites indicate that the CGT measures 26000 Nm/degree of deflection. For comparison sake, the 2005 Mustang convertible will flex a degree with only 9500 Nm applied. The closed roof GT measures an outstanding 27,100 Nm/degree, which makes the CGT pretty darn impressive by comparison. By the way, my bung-o-meter cannot detect the difference of 1,100 Nm/degree between the two cars. They both feel wiggle free when pounding over rough pavement.

Okay, so which is the better sports car?

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For that one lonely reader who may still be with me at this point, I hope your job as a night watchman at the sprinkler factory is going well. Just for you, I’ll draw the following conclusions. First, of all the reviews I have written, this one seems like it compares cars that are the most dissimilar of any that I have owned. I can see now that the technical and engineering differences between these two cars and the resultant variance in prices (the MSRP of the Porsche is three times that of the GT) places them in different categories. The last comparison I wrote, comparing the spendy and glamorous Ferrari 458 with the GT was much easier. In that comparison, I chose the GT over the Ferrari, independent of price considerations. (Looking back on the 458, I am more confident than ever that I was right about that verdict.) The CGT, on the other hand, is engineered of such exotic materials, is of such an exotic design, and is so uncompromising in its pursuit of the race car-for-the-streets ethic, that it doesn’t make for a fair comparison. GT vs. 458 was apples to apples. GT vs. CGT is apples to hand grenades.

Having said all that, I will answer the question that is most difficult but also most telling: If I could have only one, which would it be? That query is an agony, because I have so many memories in the GT and our little band of brothers is so supportive and entertaining. I love the racing history behind the GT, and the fact that the story and the car are so representative of everything I cherish about my beloved country. On the other hand, when I go out to the garage, it’s hard to deny the addictive nature of the CGT driving experience. Driving the carbon fiber delinquent is an adventure every time, and the GT seems tame by comparison. Anyone can drive a GT reasonably well. The CGT does not suffer fools and requires total concentration. Yes, the clutch is a challenge, but it does get more intuitive with time and its nice to have a car that actually “engages” the driver with such intensity. They are both great cars, but they seem to have designed to accomplish different purposes. I therefore refuse to answer the question.

Just kidding. The other day, as I was blasting down the Canyon in the CGT, I was worrying over the “which would I keep” question. I had an epiphany of sorts: If you were to put me at the top of a twisty road, or at the Nurburgring, or any other place that does not involve slogging from light to light, I would probably drive the CGT more often than the GT. It wouldn’t be an easy choice, but the Porsche is just so wonderfully intense and responsive. Therefore, in the category of “blow out the cobwebs and go for a spirited canyon drive after a crushing week at work” category, I can comfortably say that the gnarly CGT is my preference. I don’t know that I have ever really felt such a pronounced appetite for the adventure of a curvy road as I do when sitting at the wheel of the CGT. However, how many of us live in a place where we have actual access to an open, twisty road? I am inclined to believe that of the 600 or so CGTs in the US, about three actually get used as they were designed. The rest sit in private collections and will spend little if any time burning up that expensive Michelin rubber. I can tell you without pause that if I lived in an area where the only roads where crowded surface streets and freeways, I could not own a CGT. It would be the most exquisite torture to own that car and not be able to deploy it, like a Steinway with a lockon the keyboard. Lovely to look at, but no fun to use.

The GT, on the other hand, is so docile in city traffic that I would take it out as readily as my Mercedes S550. I also love the fact that I can drive the GT out of the garage on any given day, and if I lived in Germany, I could hit an easy 200. On the way to pick up the milch.

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(Photo note: I did not take this picture, which captured me driving my GT doing warp speed at the Mojave Mile. It's a fine piece of photography and I'd love to give proper credit to its creator. So, if you took the picture, chime in.

This much is clear: If I needed a jaw dropping sports car that could be tolerable in city driving and still scratch the speed itch when the opportunity presented itself, it wouldn’t be a 458, or a Gallardo, or a GTR, or a Viper. I can think of no better choice than the fantastic Ford GT. City driving, cars and coffee driving, canyon driving, track driving: the Ford handles it all with aplomb. The only real hesitancy I have about driving the GT on a daily basis is the fact that it’s hard to get into when someone parks next to you, the nose can be a bit low on parking ramps (the CGT, however, is much worse), and the car attracts so much attention that can be bit irritating unless you are in PR mode, which I sometimes am decidedly not. The bottom line is that the GT is superior to the Porsche in the sense that it can accomplish most of what the Porsche can do, at about 1/3 of the cost and with much less discomfort and drama. For many of us, that settles the question right there.

So there you have it. Give the Carrera GT a piece of twisting road and it will consume it like a co-ed on a Twinky. Put it in traffic and feels as frantic as a blind dog in a meat factory. The GT is more flexible and covers more of the usage spectrum, even if it does so in a slightly less manic and driver intensive way. You will simply have to decide which you like best. Don’t you just love being a car guy?

I can't leave without at least one photo of my magnificent Zanardi. What a delightful car...

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djs

GT Owner
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Jun 7, 2007
2,082
Great stuff. The "carbon fiber delinquent" description made me laugh out loud.