Hose support SS springs


Fubar

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Okay, the springs have been out for a while now... any results/feedback?
 

Ed Sims

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coolant hose springs

My dealer just installed my springs ($292.15 total - labor, distilled water, 1 bottle Water Wetter, 1 bolt #4G7Z-16163-AA). On Oct 5 I take to the track which is the real way to test it. I'll let you know then.

Ed
 
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My dealer just installed my springs ($292.15 total - labor, distilled water, 1 bottle Water Wetter, 1 bolt #4G7Z-16163-AA). On Oct 5 I take to the track which is the real way to test it. I'll let you know then.

Ed

I chatted with Dave yesterday and he said that he had picked your gal to put her under the proverbial knife; I too remain interested in your results.

It would appear that (as expected) they treated you very well.

Takes care

Shadowman
 

Ed Sims

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Hey, my dealer picks up my GT & drives it to the shop. When she's done he returns her to my garage all cleaned up. No extra charge. He has 2 personal GTs & loves them. A dealer who is a gearhead is rare nowadays.

Ed
 

cobrar1339

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Hey, my dealer picks up my GT & drives it to the shop. When she's done he returns her to my garage all cleaned up. No extra charge. He has 2 personal GTs & loves them. A dealer who is a gearhead is rare nowadays.

Ed

Ed that is just FANTASTIC service that stands out big time, other dealers should be taking notes. Harold Ford gets a big :thumbsup. I will have my fleet dept work with them on our next order, because of your note on the great service you have had.
 

Fubar

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My dealer just installed my springs ($292.15 total - labor, distilled water, 1 bottle Water Wetter, 1 bolt #4G7Z-16163-AA). On Oct 5 I take to the track which is the real way to test it. I'll let you know then.

Ed

Looking forward to your report!
 

BlackICE

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I installed the springs too with 20% coolant and Water Wetter. I still have the front grill though. I will be at the same event as Ed and we can compare notes on temps.
 

Fubar

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I installed the springs too with 20% coolant and Water Wetter. I still have the front grill though. I will be at the same event as Ed and we can compare notes on temps.

I am in the same boat as you. I still have the grill in place but I added the springs 20/80 mix and some water wetter. I am interested in the track results. The last time I was on the track, I had to pull into the pits for a little cool-down time.

I haven't noticed much of a change in my daily driving temps but I didn't expect to see much change there. Although I do typically run it at 4000+ RPMs. My GT stays around 200.

Have fun tomorrow and be safe!
 

Fubar

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Any update on the temps?
 

BlackICE

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The track day was cool in the low 70s so my coolant temps were only about 200 all day. Not a valid test.
 

DRIVEBY

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Ran mine in Chicago on the weekend. Air temp was about 88F and the newly installed hose springs didn't do SQUAT. Same as usual, run for 10 minutes then approach detonation temp of 242F. THIS SUCKS!!!! :thumbsdow
 

andymlow

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Went to Sebring this past weekend with the springs and reduction in coolant to water ratio and a bottle of water wetter. Track temps were a few degrees cooler than last time. Last time the temp needle would rise to 230 shortly after any significant throttle application.

This time, never saw over 220 and I pushed much harder, more boost for longer periods.
Much improved, but not sure it is all due to the springs as multiple changes were made at the same time.
 

FLASH

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I also had the track overheating problems 235 degrees before I backed off and was very disappointed with the cooling system although the air temp was between 95 & 100. I had the springs installed and also had the engine mapped so that the low and high speed fans come in earlier. Now with cooler temps in Atlanta on the street it runs between 165 & 180, almost too cool. I missed a track opportunity to really give it the track test a few weeks ago but I feel the problem will be solved. I will track it Dec 1 & 2 at Road Atlanta but the track temps will be much cooler. A sfar as the bleeding issue, my technician thought he got most of the air out of the system but he gave my one gallon of 50/50 antifreeze and said to check the coolest level. I drove it for awhile let it cool and had to add about 1/2 gallon. I went through the same process again and added the other 1/2. Since then after several cycles the tank is full.
I'm waiting for Ed Sims results this past weekend, I believe his results will be a good measure.
Flash :banana
 

ChipBeck

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Air it out.

Ran mine in Chicago on the weekend. Air temp was about 88F and the newly installed hose springs didn't do SQUAT. Same as usual, run for 10 minutes then approach detonation temp of 242F. THIS SUCKS!!!! :thumbsdow

I would bet you've got a lot of air in your cooling system. If you've taken the supercharger off of your engine to swap your pulley you have introduced air into your cooling system. I understand it's very difficult to bleed all of the air out. But that's where I'd start.

Chip
 

nota4re

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If you've taken the supercharger off of your engine to swap your pulley you have introduced air into your cooling system.

Chip, the intercooler of the GT is a closed system residing immediately below the SC. As such, the SC can be easily removed and reinstalled without any effect at all on the SC coolant system.
 

DRIVEBY

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Chip, yes we made sure all the air was bled out. I'm using Evans coolant .. maybe I should switch to something else. I'm also running the Whipple 3.3L w/ 17psi and 93 octane and flash tuned for the fans to come on earlier. I know hot jet coating my headers and borla would help the heat soak, but that wouldn't help the engine temps would it?
 

Empty Pockets

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Chip, yes we made sure all the air was bled out. I'm using Evans coolant .. maybe I should switch to something else. I'm also running the Whipple 3.3L w/ 17psi and 93 octane and flash tuned for the fans to come on earlier. I know hot jet coating my headers and borla would help the heat soak, but that wouldn't help the engine temps would it?


No so you'd notice at all - but, it WOULD help the "under clamshell" temps.
 

AMB

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Driveby

The springs, realy don't help normal street driving !!! They realy help the high RPM's track driving, when the water pump can't pull enough water from the radiator, causing a vaccum, and collapseing the hoses.
 
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cobrar1339

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Chip, yes we made sure all the air was bled out. I'm using Evans coolant .. maybe I should switch to something else. I'm also running the Whipple 3.3L w/ 17psi and 93 octane and flash tuned for the fans to come on earlier. I know hot jet coating my headers and borla would help the heat soak, but that wouldn't help the engine temps would it?

Evans coolant will make the temp gauge read hotter, not cooler from the info I have found. But it is not supposed to boil, they indicate you are good to 330deg:eek. You may want to call Evans. I know some folks that like it, and others that are skeptical. Basically they are saying the car will suffer no ill effects in performance, detonation, etc. I have not tried it, but seen others run it. I am in the too skeptical or too worried camp. It's an interesting product.

Below is from their FAQ on gauge readings


What will the COOLANT GAUGE read when using non-aqueous propylene glycol (NPG) coolant?
Answer: The normal operating range of standard coolant (ethylene glycol and water) is 160°F to 230°F with some cooling systems able to function reasonably well up to 240°F; although as this extreme temperature level is reached, the engine will almost always operate with ever less power and response until it boils over and stalls. At approximately 330°F the coolant warning light would normally light up; a cooling system operating with the more modern needle gauge would indicate higher coolant temperatures as they developed. As NPG contains no water, coolant temperatures can rise to higher levels without a negative impact on the performance of the engine. In fact, with NPG in many cases the activation of the coolant warning light represents a false warning as NPG works very well at 330°F. Gauges may show the needle at 330°F, a temperature probably located in the red, but again, no concern is warranted with NPG coolant.

http://www.evanscooling.com/main25.htm
 

BlackICE

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Even if Evans can run hotter your ECU will dial back the timing at coolant temperatures above around 250F. You will still lose power.
 
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