Event Data Recorder

[mousecatcher]

I've also NEVER, and I stress NEVER heard of an insurance or anybody else for that matter taking that part and trying to retrieve vehicle data off it for legal purposes. I've dealt with probably 100's of wrecked vehicles that have had airbag deployment and never had any of the body shop guys tell me that the insurance company has ever asked for the old part either.

there's a fairly widely known case, about a year ago i think, where 2 teens in a vette claimed they were going some low speed and a car failure caused them to kill someone. the black box proved differently and they were convicted.

i found this on the interwebs:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1105364095740

which is much older and not the case i was thinking about, but perhaps my memory is bad. in the case linked to above, and the one i'm thinking about (if in fact it's a different case), they could have done without the black box and just used the accident forensics, probably with success. so the black box was just corroborating evidence.

from the info in this thread, it doesn't sound like the gt has such a black box.

 

[mousecatcher]

The only safe way is to erase or destroy the data before it can and will be used against you in a court of law.

Analog Designer...are you out there? Find a work around and sell us all a kit...

so you guys want to get away with a serious crime? that's the only time the black box evidence will be used.

i for one welcome our vehicle monitoring overlords. if, in cases like the one i noted in my previous post, it helps secure a conviction against a perpetrator, i'm all for it.

there doesn't seem to be much capability for misuse of the data. it only records the last few seconds before airbag deployment, and just gives a better picture of what forensic folks can already piece together. also it may in fact help to exonerate you when you are in the right.

 

[mousecatcher]

Where is the box?

Is it built into the ECU?

my understanding is that black boxes are not part of the ECU.

 

[Fubar]

I could design a product that wipes out for good the pcm and rcm (just like the tape recorder in Mission Impossible)by tying the air bag deployment triggering wires into the self destruct module, but that would have huge issues if it fails and destroys either box while you are driving the car.

Nothing a Tazer wouldn't fix. Where is that box anyway?

 

[Pantera1]

It's not the black box I worry about so much. I mean, if I'm driving recklessly and kill someone, well...I did it, and I should pay for it. Fortunately the chances of this happening to anyone in this forum are slim to none (I pray). What everyone does do (that owns a Ford GT) is speed from time to time. I've never had much use for a GPS maping computer but was shocked to see that my son's gives second to second vehicle speed! Huh....I never saw that coming. The day is near where law enforcement computers will easily track all vehicles speed. The second the vehicle surpasses the posted limit....they got you. (how's that for the ultimate speed trap?) You'll then get your e-mail ticket with the standard warnings! Sure you can debate who was actually driving your car but I'm sure that will easily be delt with. After all, the owner is responsible for their car and who's driving it. If the owner won't come forth with the info, he'll be the one charged. I hope I'm wrong !!

 

[Tipo874]

You might want to do a search on OBD-3. I think I remember reading some years ago that the government wanted to have transponders in it that communicated with roadside stations. That requirement was later waived as I remember the article. The big deal there was that it could report such things as seat belt use and any speeding that occurred and location of the infraction, not just at the vicinity of the roadside station. Anyway I think that requirement went into the same dumpster as requirement for the police being able to shut your car down remotely.

 

[Fubar]

You'll then get your e-mail ticket with the standard warnings! Sure you can debate who was actually driving your car but I'm sure that will easily be delt with. After all, the owner is responsible for their car and who's driving it. If the owner won't come forth with the info, he'll be the one charged. I hope I'm wrong !!

Actually it is not that easy. The burden of proof falls on the court in a criminal case. So if you say you weren't driving they have to prove it was you. However, I think if they make it a simple civil fee and no criminal charge applies... your screwed.

That is how the stop light cameras work here in Dallas. There is no criminal charge and it does not affect your license but the owner of the car still has to pay the fine.

 

[mousecatcher]

The day is near where law enforcement computers will easily track all vehicles speed.

i think that day is already here!

The second the vehicle surpasses the posted limit....they got you. (how's that for the ultimate speed trap?) You'll then get your e-mail ticket with the standard warnings!

i think if that were to happen, we'd be in a police state (well, much more so than now) and would have bigger fish to fry than not being able to get away with speeding.

acme car rental already got slammed big time for issuing their own version of speeding tickets to renters, based on gps data. now that doesn't mean the government won't be able to do it, but i don't realistically see it happening.

in any case, if it depends on something in your car, the gt certainly doesn't already have that component and the black box, if the gt even has one, isn't it.

most gm cars probably do have it though (onstar).

 

[Pantera1]

i think that day is already here!



i think if that were to happen, we'd be in a police state (well, much more so than now) and would have bigger fish to fry than not being able to get away with speeding.

acme car rental already got slammed big time for issuing their own version of speeding tickets to renters, based on gps data. now that doesn't mean the government won't be able to do it, but i don't realistically see it happening.

in any case, if it depends on something in your car, the gt certainly doesn't already have that component and the black box, if the gt even has one, isn't it.

most gm cars probably do have it though (onstar).

Funny you should bring up "bigger fish to fry than speeding" . Our law enforcement and emergency teams are experiencing that today. Last night a nearby town (Parkersburg, IA) and several others got hit by massive tornados. We only had torrential rains here (Fayette) and lost power. Parkersburg is 80 miles from us and we had debris raining down here!! Found Parkersburg receipts, tax forms, lots of insulation, birth certificates, and medical records!! Five dead there; two more in Minn. Anyway, they could use everyone's prayers.......

 

[K-P Garage]

I don't know if all that is true but....

Guys- I was just reporting what I was told. Considering the source it sounded logically accurate. Maurice really knows these cars well. However.............. if the GT does have any kind of computerized device to record events I do have a lady that works here in the office who has proven herself a master of erasing and reformating hard drives by accident. She has even perfected her trade to the point that she has done it even when the our geek squad says there is no way she could have caused that much system failure. She has become quite an electronic calamity Jane so to speak!
So, if anyone needs this service you can probably just e-mail her a picture of your car and she can do her thing remotely by just touching the e-mailed picture. No charge.

 

[PL510*Jeff]

Guys- I was just reporting what I was told. Considering the source it sounded logically accurate. Maurice really knows these cars well. However.............. if the GT does have any kind of computerized device to record events I do have a lady that works here in the office who has proven herself a master of erasing and reformating hard drives by accident. She has even perfected her trade to the point that she has done it even when the our geek squad says there is no way she could have caused that much system failure. She has become quite an electronic clamity Jane so to speak!
So, if anyone needs this service you can probably just e-mail her a picture of your car and she can do her thing remotely by just touching the e-mailed picture. No charge.

Must have been trained by Marie Woods at 1600 Pennsyvania Avenue.

 

[K-P Garage]

No but she listened to her tapes!

Must have been trained by Marie Woods at 1600 Pennsyvania Avenue.

I think she also worked as a travel agent for hillarydabeast.

 

[Tipo874]

Dredging up old post but saw this info from Bosch on Ford vehicles. GT is listed as NOT having PCM data for crashes.

"http://www.cdr-system.com/news/FordPCM_Update_101107.html"