Electric cars and the impact on the environment
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KennethClay
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Maybe we can institute another "cash for clunkers" program--except for ships! ha!
Kayvan
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- Jul 13, 2006
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Clever analysis:
-Scrap value of autos, squeezing differential b/w auto v. EV
-cars are 20% of oil demand
-gas is 10% of Personal $ consumption v. 1% for EV
-EV have 20 moving parts v. 2000 in Autos
Buggy may go way of the whip...and take oats,farm and mill with it
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/22/jpm...line|story&par=yahoo&doc=104665590&yptr=yahoo
-Scrap value of autos, squeezing differential b/w auto v. EV
-cars are 20% of oil demand
-gas is 10% of Personal $ consumption v. 1% for EV
-EV have 20 moving parts v. 2000 in Autos
Buggy may go way of the whip...and take oats,farm and mill with it
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/22/jpm...line|story&par=yahoo&doc=104665590&yptr=yahoo
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No shit, who could have guessed except literally anyone who currently has both a pulse and a functioning set of eyes and ears?
By Supantha Mukherjee
(Reuters) - Shares in Tesla Inc fell 2.5 percent on Tuesday after the luxury electric vehicle maker said the planned ramp-up of its Model 3 mass-market sedan faced production bottlenecks.
The moves also followed a series of announcements by rival General Motors on its own electric car ambitions, which included a promise to take "bold steps" toward the first completely driverless vehicles.
Tesla, which warned when it launched the Model 3 in July that production would be "hell", has so far delivered just 220 of those sedans and produced 260 during the quarter.
The production of 260 Model 3 sedans in the quarter was far below the 1,500 target and Tesla's production goal of 5,000 a week by end of this year 2017 is at risk, Cowen and Co analysts wrote in a research note on Monday.
The brokerage affirmed its "underperform" rating on the stock.
Tesla is also set to face increased competition as rival General Motors Co on Monday outlined plans to add 20 new battery electric and fuel cell vehicles to its global lineup by 2023.
The two automakers are also racing to take a lead in making driverless cars. While GM has built 130 self-driving Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles, all Tesla cars produced since October last year have included self-driving technology.
"In the coming months, we'll take the next bold steps in testing our autonomous technology as we lead the way to fully self-driving vehicles without any human driver as a backup," GM Chief Executive wrote in a blog post on Monday titled "Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion".
GM's Bolt electric car, priced from $37,500 before tax credits, will compete with Tesla's Model 3, at $35,000 the company's least expensive car.
Shares of Tesla, which had risen 60 percent this year, fell 2.5 percent to $332.05 soon after the opening bell in New York. GM shares were up 3.4 percent at $43.58.
(Reporting by Supantha Mukherjee in Bengaluru; editing by Patrick Graham)
By Supantha Mukherjee
(Reuters) - Shares in Tesla Inc fell 2.5 percent on Tuesday after the luxury electric vehicle maker said the planned ramp-up of its Model 3 mass-market sedan faced production bottlenecks.
The moves also followed a series of announcements by rival General Motors on its own electric car ambitions, which included a promise to take "bold steps" toward the first completely driverless vehicles.
Tesla, which warned when it launched the Model 3 in July that production would be "hell", has so far delivered just 220 of those sedans and produced 260 during the quarter.
The production of 260 Model 3 sedans in the quarter was far below the 1,500 target and Tesla's production goal of 5,000 a week by end of this year 2017 is at risk, Cowen and Co analysts wrote in a research note on Monday.
The brokerage affirmed its "underperform" rating on the stock.
Tesla is also set to face increased competition as rival General Motors Co on Monday outlined plans to add 20 new battery electric and fuel cell vehicles to its global lineup by 2023.
The two automakers are also racing to take a lead in making driverless cars. While GM has built 130 self-driving Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles, all Tesla cars produced since October last year have included self-driving technology.
"In the coming months, we'll take the next bold steps in testing our autonomous technology as we lead the way to fully self-driving vehicles without any human driver as a backup," GM Chief Executive wrote in a blog post on Monday titled "Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion".
GM's Bolt electric car, priced from $37,500 before tax credits, will compete with Tesla's Model 3, at $35,000 the company's least expensive car.
Shares of Tesla, which had risen 60 percent this year, fell 2.5 percent to $332.05 soon after the opening bell in New York. GM shares were up 3.4 percent at $43.58.
(Reporting by Supantha Mukherjee in Bengaluru; editing by Patrick Graham)
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpo...gazine/archive/374/articleoverview/article01/
I think this is an Electric car that I would buy.
Porsche, Mission E.... heading toward 2019 production and sale.
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I think this is an Electric car that I would buy.
Porsche, Mission E.... heading toward 2019 production and sale.
2005 FGT #30
2017 NFGT #H043
2017 GT350R #H249
2017 Focus RS #H756
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Kayvan
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- Jul 13, 2006
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Big 3 announcement is same as Zentih, Magnavox, Tandy in 1976 saying they were going to launch PS or Personal Systems or PCs in response to Apple.
Zenith was even ahead of IBM in acutally having a workable PC.
Arguments ranged from having a lock on CRT Tubes production to network of showrooms (yes TV manufacturers had showrooms).
The result is those brown-veneer boxes you see on curbs and dusty radio shack stores.
Software/Operating System is the silver bullet here; half of Tesla's employees are software engineers!
Super Cruise and Lidar are literally the Betamax and CM/P of cars.
Hardware has not won for 30yrs and counting...
Zenith was even ahead of IBM in acutally having a workable PC.
Arguments ranged from having a lock on CRT Tubes production to network of showrooms (yes TV manufacturers had showrooms).
The result is those brown-veneer boxes you see on curbs and dusty radio shack stores.
Software/Operating System is the silver bullet here; half of Tesla's employees are software engineers!
Super Cruise and Lidar are literally the Betamax and CM/P of cars.
Hardware has not won for 30yrs and counting...
Awsum GT
GT Owner '18
Gentlemen,
The answer to that is yes. Tesla is viewed as a high tech company but there is one big difference. Software, computer chips, and even small electronic devices are easy to scale and rapidly ramp up. It's common for a tech company to have a 200 or even a 500% year over year sales increase. Cars are completely different animals no matter how high tech they are. Auto assembly is extremely capital intensive with very long lead times. Auto assembly plants take years to build and before that often years to get permits to begin building. Software can ramp up by 3 or even 4 digit multiples. Auto production ramps up by 1 or 2 digit multiples. To the million things that can go wrong to bottleneck auto production you can add governmental regulations and labor problems. Elon Musk is a smart guy but he's not an auto production genius and his celebrity doesn't grant him an exemption to the hurdles every auto maker faces.
Chip
Awsum GT
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MTV8
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It is kind of amazing that Tesla still does not have a single direct competitor. I guess they can get away with production delays when there are no alternatives. Doubtful that GM will change that, but it looks like Porsche is working on it.
PeteK
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PeteK
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China has announced a big push for EV's and that is what has stirred up interest in GM and Ford lately. Beijing is restricting license plates for new gasoline powered cars. In Beijing, more than 11 million people typically enter a monthly lottery for 14,000 gasoline car plates. Shanghai auctions them to the highest bidder. EV buyers in the cities can get tags almost instantly at no cost. Huge market for everyone.
Kayvan
GT Owner
- Jul 13, 2006
- 4,782
"Tesla misses first major Model 3 goal in worst financial quarter ever"
It's.
All.
Bullshit.
Losing $200 million a month selling a trivial amount of costly luxury cars. :lol
It's.
All.
Bullshit.
Losing $200 million a month selling a trivial amount of costly luxury cars. :lol
Cobrar
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