Dire Times for the Auto Industry


B O N Y

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I didn't waste my time and drive down for press day on Wednesday...


Instead I bought a couple hundred blocks of F.


Perhaps an 11 might be the fate of the General... Doubt it will be of F.
 
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bony - now I know why I did not see you there.

The show was quite disappointing...the Ford show was fine, but even with the data provided the 'dinosaur' headline made the papers...along with corporate aircraft and the UAW Jobs bank.

I sure hope the 4 guys (Detroit 3 CEOs' and Gettlefinger) have a better story and maybe some 'data boards' on easels that can be photographed and shown in the media to show Congress on December 2nd ...better than the disarray they displayed last week.
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Two Good Ford Articles

The assets and advantages of Ford

The assets and advantages at Ford

November 23, 2008

1. CEO Alan Mulally

Since arriving from Boeing Co., Mulally has been helping to eradicate Ford's culture of political infighting. He has worked to promote teamwork and confidence within the company, and is regarded as a focused advocate of Ford's turnaround plan.

2. Quality improvements

According to Consumer Reports magazine, Ford's reliability "is now on par with good Japanese automakers," such as Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co.

The magazine lauds Ford for continuing "to pull away from the rest of Detroit." Now, Ford just has to get that message to consumers.

3. Telematics leadership

Consumers are still catching on to the impressive technological advances inside a Ford vehicle.

But Ford's continually improving Sync technology, which was developed with Microsoft and allows drivers to communicate with their phone and audio system using voice commands, remains unique in the market.

Ford has said it remains committed to staying ahead in this area, too, as mobile electronics continue to become a bigger part of Americans' daily lives.

4. Safety

Ford has the most 5-star government crash safety ratings of any automaker. In September, it passed Honda for the most top safety picks from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

Ford recently introduced MyKey technology, which helps parents encourage teens to adopt safer driving behaviors through safety-belt usage, lower audio volumes and a limited top speed. MyKey will become a standard feature for many models in early 2009.

5. Improving fuel efficiency

In addition to the Focus, which gets a combined 27 miles per gallon, the new Ford Fusion hybrid will beat the Toyota Camry hybrid by 6 miles per gallon, Ford says.

Ford's president of the Americas, Mark Fields, has said Ford's product development team is committed to making its future vehicles "meet or beat the competition in fuel economy."

Ford has glimpse of a road to recovery

Ford has glimpse of a road to recovery

Even if federal loans refused, automaker has edge over rivals

BY SARAH A. WEBSTER • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER • November 23, 2008

Last week's hearings on Capital Hill lumped Detroit's automakers together as desperate enterprises so troubled that they must submit business plans to Congress to prove they are worth saving with emergency loans.
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But ever so subtly, Ford Motor Co. is separating itself from its crosstown rivals, General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.

Still a troubled company that is hemorrhaging money -- nearly $24 billion during the past three years -- and losing market share, Ford is regarded as the healthiest of the three companies, as UAW President Ron Gettelfinger last week told Congress. The automaker also is making strides in fuel economy and the safety and quality ratings of its vehicles, and its new F-150 pickup -- a company profit leader -- is expected to do well after sales rebound from the toughest market in 25 years.

Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally told Senate and House committees he wasn't even sure that Ford, which had $19 billion in cash at the end of September, would need federal assistance.

"I think we can make it through this recession, if it doesn't get worse," Mulally said. "We believe we have sufficient liquidity to make it through this slowdown."

Mulally, who left Boeing Co. to become Ford's CEO in September 2006, said the automaker joined in the request for aid only because it might need the money if the economy worsens and because a collapse of GM or Chrysler could take down parts suppliers, which would ultimately seize up operations for Ford, too.

Sales down, but quality up

Despite Ford's precarious position, as the company waits for the political and economic climate to shake out, automotive analysts and Ford dealers also told the Free Press there are signs that the company's condition could improve in the near term.

While Ford's sales are down 18.6% through October compared to the same period a year ago, the company is making gains in key areas.

For much of the year, the Ford Focus compact car, which averages 27 miles per gallon and comes with optional cutting-edge Sync telecommunications and entertainment technology, climbed the sales charts. So far this year, the vehicle built in Wayne is up 20.5%.

Now Ford's perennial breadwinner, the F-150, has been revamped and is earning rave reviews, a promising sign that could help Ford pull ahead of its sluggish crosstown rivals. The F-150 is part of Ford's best-selling F-Series lineup, which still makes up about one-fourth of the company's sales and a disproportionate amount of the company's profits.

Ford has made documented gains in safety, quality and fuel economy that it needs to have sink into the public consciousness, bolstered by publications such as Consumer Reports. Ford's Fusion midsize car was even selected for the cover of the magazine's best cars issue.

"Everybody is aware that Ford's quality has gone up," said Terry Kidd, who owns Kidd Ford Lincoln Mercury outside of Nashville, Tenn.

As Mulally sat in front of Congress, flanked by his needier counterparts at GM and Ford, he repeatedly tried to emphasize the unique position of Ford and the "clear vision" it has for the future.

As the executives were collectively grilled and flogged for their companies' past failures, Mulally repeatedly emphasized: "We're in a little different position."

Might not need loans

Financially, Mulally told Congress that Ford does not intend to tap the federal loans if it doesn't have to. Shortly after Mulally became CEO, the company mortgaged its assets, from the F-150 brand to the blue oval logo, to ensure a line of credit for its turnaround. That has put it in a better liquidity position than GM and Chrysler.

"If the economy starts to go down, we would have to access that money, too," Mulally told a House committee. "How much we would access would be dependent on how far the economy and the industry degrades."

Passing on the federal loans might prevent the company's shareholders from having their stock further diluted if the company is forced to give the government stock warrants in exchange for the loans.

Shares of Ford closed Friday at $1.43. Just four years ago, Ford shares traded in the mid-teens and paid dividends of 10 cents every quarter.

The stockholders, of course, include the Ford family.

While the family would still retain its 40% supervoting power through its Class B shares if stock warrants were issued, the family has already seen the value of its shares plummet.

What's more, Ford stopped paying dividends in September 2006 -- when Mulally was hired and the company revised its Way Forward turnaround plan for the second time.

If Ford could make it through this downturn without federal money, it could escape jumping through all the hoops that Congress is setting up as an obstacle course to receive loans.

Faint praise from lawmakers

While most members of Congress seemed content to lump Detroit in one basket and bash them together, a few lawmakers had almost-kind words for Ford.

While criticizing Detroit's boardrooms for being "famously devoid of vision," Sen. Chris Dodd, the Connecticut Democrat who chairs the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, added: "Clearly there have been exceptions. Ford was arguably ahead of the market when ... they saw a big future in the fuel-efficient and alternative energy vehicles."

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who was particularly critical, also noted the distinction.

"My sense is that Ford has done a better job and is in a slightly stronger position," he said. "GM has made some changes, but is spiraling downward, and I know it's a private company and results aren't available, but Chrysler barely has a heartbeat.


"I wonder why we're talking to three companies. ... Seems to me that that premise to begin with is very flawed. Now obviously you all have been involved in a pact."

David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, said all of Detroit's auto companies are in the emergency room and need help, but Ford just isn't as badly injured.

"They've tried to walk that fine line: We need it, but we don't need it that badly," Cole said.

Revamped F-150 gets raves

One of the biggest reasons to hold out hope for a strong Ford turnaround, dealers and automotive experts told the Free Press, is the launch of the 2009 F-150 pickup.

"I know Washington doesn't want to hear about pickup trucks," said Erich Merkle, a senior automotive analyst with Crowe Horwath in Grand Rapids. But, he said, "Ford is very well positioned in that pickup truck segment when it ultimately starts to rebound."

Already, dealers across the country told the Free Press that F-150 sales are off to a better start than expected.

"It's doing fantastic," said Jason Pittack, co-owner of Woodhouse Ford in Blair, Neb. His dealership is No. 1 in Ford pickup sales, with more than 2,500 sales annually.

"Farmers are having their best year in many years," he explained. "The people that need trucks, they're coming in and zapping them up."


For that reason, Pittack is one of several dealers who think Ford is going to do just fine.

"Regardless of what the press is saying, I think Ford is in a good position," he said.

Kidd said he's so confident in Ford that he's been gobbling up a lot of Ford stock, as well as that of key parts supplier Visteon.

"I feel great," Kidd said of Ford, noting that his truck sales have been strong since gas prices started dropping again. "I truly believe in it. ... I'm not looking for it to turn tomorrow, but in the long run. I think Ford is making tremendous strides."

Contact SARAH A. WEBSTER at 313-222-5394 or swebster@freepress.com.
 

BlackICE

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Barron's - A Real Bailout for Auto Makers

Detroit's only hope may be to let ailing auto makers file for prepackaged bankruptcy. And, a blast from the Motor City's past.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122792686803266225.html?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo&page=1
 

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tpraceman

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As DBK posted earlier.

BMW, Mercedes and VW are now in the same boat looking for Government help.
 

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Aaaaaaaaaaah...sumbuddy hasta say it. I know MOST of us are THINKIN' it: did Hudson get a bailout from D.C.? Did Nash? Studebaker? Packard? TUCKER?

I have my fire suit on, so go ahead...:sleep:


(The most laughable thing about this is just what the cartoon above points out!!!)
 

B O N Y

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No problem, never mind national security or the stockholders, since almost everybody with a mutual fund holding forgets they are an owner. So let them all crash, wonder how many people that say dumb things took advantage of the sub prime real estate market?

We can buy our trucks for our military needs from Tata...

Happy Monday, enjoy the recession, but then again you sold your FGT at the top of the market....

Hot enough for you Larry?
 

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Aaaaaaaaaaah...sumbuddy hasta say it. I know MOST of us are THINKIN' it: did Hudson get a bailout from D.C.? Did Nash? Studebaker? Packard? TUCKER?

I have my fire suit on, so go ahead...:sleep:

(The most laughable thing about this is just what the cartoon above points out!!!)

That is an unbelievably myopic comparison, and if you can't reasonably recognize the difference between somebody like Studebaker, who employed 23k at their peak, tanking and the global economic meltdown threatening several million jobs when all credit and funding are frozen, I'm not going to explain it to you.

p.s, if you want to talk with the adults, please start communicating like one in basic English.
 

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No problem, never mind national security or the stockholders, since almost everybody with a mutual fund holding forgets they are an owner. So let them all crash, wonder how many people that say dumb things took advantage of the sub prime real estate market?

We can buy our trucks for our military needs from Tata...

Happy Monday, enjoy the recession, but then again you sold your FGT at the top of the market....

Hot enough for you Larry?


Shoot! THAT I kudda weathered WITHOUT the fire suit, Bony! :lol :thumbsup :cheers
 

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Shoot! THAT I kudda weathered WITHOUT the fire suit, Bony! :lol :thumbsup :cheers

Here is the real world, as flashed on my screen:-

Los Angeles Times | December 1, 2008 | 10:11 a.m. PT

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Weak economy drives down stocks

Stocks tumbled today, with the S&P sliding more than 6 percent, as news pointing to the deepening economic slump around the world punctured last week's market enthusiasm, with financial services companies and retailers among Wall Street's biggest casualties.

The Dow Jones industrial average slid 450.41 points, or 5.10 percent, to 8,378.63. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index dropped 55.12 points, or 6.15 percent, to 841.12. The Nasdaq Composite Index lost 95.50 points, or 6.225 percent, to 1,440.07.

The drops occurred on a day when the National Bureau of Economic Research announced that a U.S. recession began in December 2007.
 

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Yes, the real world and theory don't always meet.

  • Circuit City (filed Chapter 11)
  • Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide closing
  • Lane Bryant, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 stores nationwide
  • Eddie Bauer to close 27 stores and more after January
  • Cache will close all stores
  • Talbots closing down specialty stores
  • J.Jill closing all stores (owned by Talbots)
  • Pacific Sunwear (also owned by Talbots)
  • GAP closing 85 stores
  • Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January
  • Wickes Furniture closing down
  • Levitz closing down remaining stores
  • Bombay closing remaining stores
  • Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January
  • Whitehall closing all stores
  • Piercing Pagoda closing all stores
  • Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January
  • Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ (New Brunswick)
  • Macys to close 9 stores after January
  • Linens and Things closing all stores
  • Movie Galley Closing all stores
  • Pep Boys Closing 33 stores
  • Sprint/Nextel closing 133 stores
  • JC Penney closing a number of stores after January
  • Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores
  • Wilson Leather closing down all stores
  • Sharper Image closing down all stores
  • K B Toys closing 356 stores

Have a happy holiday at the mall! :cheers
 

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That is an unbelievably myopic comparison, and if you can't reasonably recognize the difference between somebody like Studebaker, who employed 23k at their peak, tanking and the global economic meltdown threatening several million jobs when all credit and funding are frozen, I'm not going to explain it to you.

p.s, if you want to talk with the adults, please start communicating like one in basic English.


That was just a wee bit harsh, wouldn't you say? Especially since, in essence, we're simply dealing with a difference of opinion here?

It appears my "myopic" view mirrors that of someone I believe most would consider an "adult": Daniel J. Ikenson...associate director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies. While I don't agree with every thought he has on the subject, I do agree with many.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9804

Now, since I really did not intend - and do not desire - to start a war with anybody here, Dave, that will be, "... all I have to say about that." ( F. Gump)
 

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It appears my "myopic" view mirrors that of someone I believe most would consider an "adult": Daniel J. Ikenson...associate director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies. While I don't agree with every thought he has on the subject, I do agree with many.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9804

He has no clue what he's talking about. That's a fact.

I barely got a paragraph in before hitting this gem:

Some iconic U.S. automakers are now in dire straits, but the car industry itself is not in crisis.

Really?

BMW said:
Norbert Reithofer, the 52-year-old chief executive of BMW, is similarly baffled. He believes the company is "in the biggest crisis in its history."

Toyota said:
According to Toyota Executive Vice President Mitsuo Kinoshita, "the current situation is an emergency, of a magnitude we have never seen before."

Merc said:
The mood is gloomy in Mercedes-Benz dealerships. At some dealerships, there are days when not a single new car is sold. When a customer does buy a car, it is more than likely a slightly used car with just 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles) on the odometer -- but already available at a 40 percent markdown.

For German automakers, the year 2009 will begin with eerie silence. It will be quiet in almost all plants, in Stuttgart, Munich, Regensburg, Rüsselsheim, Kaiserslautern, Cologne, Emden, Hannover, Braunschweig and Wolfsburg. All assembly lines will be shut down.

Merc said:
"We are about to face a serious test," says Daimler CEO Zetsche

Opel is not the only German carmaker seeking government assistance. VW, Daimler and BMW have also submitted their requests.

Hyundai said:
"The fourth quarter is likely to be pretty doomed for all car makers. However, the problem is the next year and no one is free from the impact of weaker demand and the credit crisis," said Cho Soo-hong, an auto analyst at Hyundai Securities.

Car sales in:

  • Sweden - DOWN 36%
  • Japan - DOWN 18.2%
  • Spain - DOWN 49.6%
  • Brazil - DOWN 17%
In the U.S last month:

  • Domestic brands - DOWN 24%
  • Foreign brands - DOWN 31%
The Chinese and Japanese governments already subsidize their vehicles. Spain is preparing immediate financial relief for their automakers. The government in Sweden is preparing to aid Saab and Volvo. BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and VW have all applied for aid from the German government.

Give me a break. "The industry itself is not in crisis." Don't write an op-ed based on ridiculously flawed information, because I won't waste my time reading someone who clearly hasn't done their research.

This is as serious as cancer, industry-wide, and more importantly, for the entire U.S. This will undoubtedly end up the longest recession since the great depression. We're already in month 11. We don't even know the full effects of the credit-cluster****. How many millions of homeowners are underwater? If you take away the two primary sources of an individual's liquidity, that being their job and their ability to spend on credit, and take into account housing is now worthless and trillions in equity have disappeared, how does the economy move? No seriously, maybe we can all sit around and trade each other the same piece of paper at a marginally higher price. Oh wait, already tried that.

I'm just a realist. Yeah, I've got a degree in economics, but I'm not a fool that gets cute with theory while reality burns. If it all goes south, we'll see how fun it is when the asians own all our debt and our manufacturing capacity. This notion that this is about Detroit is cute. We're on the precipice of the unknown because of a credit crisis that has nothing to do with Detroit. Rest assured, if everything collapses, the U.S government will be alone in it's abandonment of heavy industry.
 

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I often wonder what would happen if just 20% of the USA car buyers switched and bought from Ford, GM or Chysler.

Does anyone have the total Car/truck imported USA sales?

Interesting info:
North America car and truck production

Total North America car...... 6,177,154
Total U.S. truck.................6,382,295
Total Canada truck.............1,119,942
Total Mexico truck.................618,424
Total North America truck.....8,120,661
Total U.S.........................10,137,344
Total Canada......................2,245,967
Total Mexico.......................1,914,504
TOTAL NORTH AMERICA......14,297,815

North America car and truck production
FORD MOTOR CO. ....2,437,200
Chrysler group ........2,209,463
GENERAL MOTORS ...4,011,510
TOYOTA‡ ..............1,157,430
HONDA...................1,284,734
HYUNDAI...................232,759
Unless noted vehicles are cars and assembled in the United States.
Source:
http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA589061114.PDF
 

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There has never been a more important time to buy American and buy locally if possible.

My concern is that folks that can buy, don't want to because of the concern that it looks bad to be spending.... that is Mrs. Bony's new dance. She asked me if we should still be taking a cruise in July we bought last August.... People are worried.

Retailers are selling for cash flow, at Newport Beach's Fashion Island yesterday the stores with the big sales where doing business, the stores with no sales where dead. Bought $7k of St Johns for less than $2k with tax, the entire store was 50% off and we had another 15% coupon... for Mrs. Bony's Xmas, didn't want anyone to think that it was for me:)
 

BlackICE

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There has never been a more important time to buy American and buy locally if possible...

She asked me if we should still be taking a cruise in July we bought last August....

Always true.

Are you sure the cruise company will be still in operation next July?
 

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There has never been a more important time to buy American and buy locally if possible.

My concern is that folks that can buy, don't want to because of the concern that it looks bad to be spendingQUOTE]


+1
 

Kayvan

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A preview of the big 3 plans is comming from Commerce Secretary

Big Surprise they are going to let weakest links go first: Dealers, Jobs bank, Union concessions...before they get to cutting model lines, factories, jets, top brass.