5.8 Liter 2013 Shelby GT-500 Confirmed

[david b]

I own a gtr and have had it on the track. Its mindlessly fast and its really hard to get in trouble with it (even for a novice like me). I agree with Tim, it really is driving you almost.

On the street, its ridiculously fast and corners unbelievably. The gtr has to be respected... many dont like the looks, many dont like the nissan name, many say that it is this or that, but at the end of the day if you appreciate cars, which we all do, you have to respect it....

 

[B.M.F.]

Not sure. GM says the 6-speed version of their car will do 12.1@119 mph. I can tell you for a fact that a GT500 on launch control (i.e on a setting anyone can replicate) will best that without a problem. Obviously the big problem for the GT500 is the tires. If you slap drag radials on both cars, the GT500 will murder ZL1. Much higher mph, as one would expect from a car with more hp and less weight.

You can never account for outliers. Evan Smith will likely run an 11.50 or better at over 125 mph when he gets his hands on one. I expect a very competent driver in a 6-speed Camaro will manage 11.80s at some sticky track with good DA.

I don't know what GT500 will end up doing on the Ring because the car is geared to avoid gas guzzler and not burn the tires. When it comes to road course driving, it'll depend on the track layout and who is driving as to which is faster. Gene drove 2:58 at VIR in the old GT500 and C&D could only come up with 3:04. Gene also drove VIR in a Ford GT at 2:57. Gene in a 2013 GT500 will whip Gene in a Ford GT's ass at VIR. Take that for what it's worth.

I heard a rumor that the 2013 gt500 went a 7:31 in the ring?

 

[dbk]

DBK: What is involved in "cross drill(ing) block and heads?" I've never heard that term used for anything other than brake rotors. Sounds leaky to me. ;-)

Is this like the windows cast in the LS motors' blocks between cylinders allowing bay to bay breathing?

Pretty sure it's just drilled to expose more surface area for additional cooling.

 

[dbk]

I heard a rumor that the 2013 gt500 went a 7:31 in the ring?

Definitely not true.

I'm not sure what they'll get it to do eventually, but the car misses gas guzzler and goes 200 mph because it's geared for that rather than the Ring. GM obviously says "Oh yeah, well let's go race at the Ring!" because that's what their car is setup for and that's where they hope they can eek out a victory. There's plenty of road courses in America, but they obviously aren't confident enough to just pick one of the easily accessible big boy tracks here. The cars have already both run at VIR, there must be a reason GM didn't say "Let's go run them at VIR!" which at 4.5 miles and massive elevation changes is more than enough to discern what they are capable of.

 

[Cobrar]

Got a contact at BBC. Lets just get one of each in the hands of the boys from Top Gear and let them have their way with 'em. Should be fun!

 

[HHGT]

If it does not have a V8 (or more) it's not muscle!

 

[Silverbullitt]

That would be fair, let the Stig tell the story.

Too bad battle of the supercars is off the air. Tanner gets the Ford Tracy gets screwed like he did against joyride. It is always fun watching him beg for do overs and cry.

 

[dbk]

BBC would shit on both. I don't think anyone that has been in a Boss would say that it doesn't handle but that was still the partial conclusion 5th Gear drew.

I'd like to have the two cars at Lightning Lap. Gene in GT500, whoever Chevy wants in ZL1.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Definitely not true.

I'm not sure what they'll get it to do eventually, but the car misses gas guzzler and goes 200 mph because it's geared for that rather than the Ring. GM obviously says "Oh yeah, well let's go race at the Ring!" because that's what their car is setup for and that's where they hope they can eek out a victory. There's plenty of road courses in America, but they obviously aren't confident enough to just pick one of the easily accessible big boy tracks here. The cars have already both run at VIR, there must be a reason GM didn't say "Let's go run them at VIR!" which at 4.5 miles and massive elevation changes is more than enough to discern what they are capable of.

The same thing in general can be said for any other pair of similar cars, really. That is, car "A" may do better than car "B" on this road track rather than on that one simply because its design/engineering is better suited to it....and/or car "B" may 'best' car "A" on a drag strip because the differences in the suspensions/gearing between the two favors car "B", etc. So, "what (a particular car is) capable of" compared to some other car really does boil down to what either was specifically designed to do. Your observation that the 'Stang "misses gas guzzler and goes 200 mph because it's geared for that rather than the Ring" illustrates the point. Therefore, whether this car is 'superior' to that one all comes down to what purpose the buyer has in mind for it.

Not long ago someone here on The 'Forum opined that he could best a FGT on a bicycle if the track were "tight" enough. That probably illustrates the point I'm trying to make better than I can.

All bench racing aside, I'd really, REALLY like to see an IRS equipped 5.8 'Stang (especially sans any gearing compromises) tackle the Ring! Oh, good lord! Katie bar the door! :eek :willy :banana

 

[CH53Driver]

These cars just keep getting better and better each year. I'm definitely curious to see what's up Ford's sleeve for the next generation Mustang.

 

[Cobrar]

these cars just keep getting better and better each year. I'm definitely curious to see what's up ford's sleeve for the next generation mustang.

Here you go - retro!

 

[CH53Driver]

Here you go - retro!

Yep, that looks right up my alley. I can even wear my flight helmet and goggles.:biggrin

 

[Silverbullitt]

Not many will like this observation, but here goes. I owned and put 53,000 miles on an 03 Terminator cobra. The most powerful mustang with an IRS. Launching the car with the IRS was drama filled with more wheel hop than my 65 Hipo fastback. I thought it handled pretty well. I then purchased an 06 V6 convertible for my wife.

Several forum members ran in the hill country with me at the Austin Rally. I have no clue how Ford did it, but the solid axle V6 out handled the cobra on the twusties which is where the IRS and SVT eneineering should have kicked the base model's a$$. My 11 GTCS again with a solid axle will walk them both.

 

[Sinovac]

Not many will like this observation, but here goes. I owned and put 53,000 moles on an 03 Termonator cobra. The most powerful mustang with an IRS. Launching the car with the IRS was drama filled with more wheel hop than my 65 Hipo fastback. I thought it handled pretty well. I then purchased an 06 V6 convertible for my wife.

Several forum members ran in the hill country with me at the Austin Rally. I have no clue how Ford did it, but the solid axle V6 out handled the cobra on the twusties which is where the IRS and SVT eneineering should have kicked the base model's a$$. My 11 GTCS again with a solid ad will walk them both.

I'm not surprised, but keep in mind the Terminator IRS was a severely compromised design as the chassis (Fox body) was not designed for an IRS. It was the engineering equivalent of putting 10lbs of you know what into a 5lb bag.

 

[dbk]

I have a 2011 Mustang GT and even that vs. something more hardcore like the Boss is pretty amazing for a stick axle. I really enjoy driving the car fast. You never notice it isn't an IRS until you really hit something big. Especially with the latest iteration of the car, they've taken the refinement of the setup to another level. I could honestly take IRS or leave it on a muscle, and most drag racing would leave it.

 

[Sinovac]

I like the simplicity and durability of the live axle. I prefer it in my GT500, but it holds the Mustang back from a marketing perspective. No matter how good SVT makes the live axle perform, it will still be derided by many enthusiasts as archaic. This is all probably a moot point as I can't imagine Ford will redesign the Mustang with anything other than an IRS.

 

[dbk]

220 mph speedo. In a Mustang.

 

[B.M.F.]

220 mph speedo. In a Mustang.

Love the gauges, When I built my Shelby GT500 in 08 I ordered a Candian Instrument cluster and we calibrated the speedo to read mph in km. That way the speedo went over 160. I went 192 in that car, it made like 820rwhp. Very tempting to buy one of these things, Ford is making it tough to not want to. Hopefully they have one at pri in two weeks.

 

[B.M.F.]

I have a 2011 Mustang GT and even that vs. something more hardcore like the Boss is pretty amazing for a stick axle. I really enjoy driving the car fast. You never notice it isn't an IRS until you really hit something big. Especially with the latest iteration of the car, they've taken the refinement of the setup to another level. I could honestly take IRS or leave it on a muscle, and most drag racing would leave it.

Agreed. I remember racing and having the ford trailer at the racetrack with a sign up sheet asking what the mustang crowd wanted for suspension amounst other things on the up coming 05 mustang. The general consensus was LIVE AXLE...I'm sure its coming where they will be independant, so glad it hasn't been yet as its so much easier and cheaper to go fast with an axle.

 

[2112]

Did someone say the next major restyle will be for the 2014 Model year?

If so, does that make these a special one year model run?