Top Gear faked Tesla issues


Kayvan

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http://jalopnik.com/5115617/shocking-scandal-top-gear-tesla-didnt-run-out-of-juice

Hmmm......I demand a GT investigation as well

Seem to remember an eerily similar pushing car into shed incident
 

Empty Pockets

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"...the tested Tesla was filmed being pushed into the shed in order TO SHOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF the Roadster had run out of charge."

Uuuuuh, and that differs from what would happen if a gas powered car ran out of fuel how, 'zactly??? WHY would it be even REMOTELY necessary to stage such a demo(?!) - especially w/o explaining the 'educational purpose' behind it?

Sorry. No cigar on THAT "spin" effort.
 

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Sadly, I find the show to be entertaining but this kind of stuff just ticks me off. I've had a few friends remind me about the reliability of the GT because they saw/read the BS that Top Gear had with the GT - due to an AFTERMARKET botched alarm install.

Now this.... with the Tesla. How stupid. Obviously by pushing the car into the garage they are leaving viewers with the distinct impression that they ran out of charge.

I think they can grow up and mix the entertainment with more accurate reporting - but that may require more professionalism than either the hosts or producers can muster.
 

PL510*Jeff

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It's Entertainment

Sadly, I find the show to be entertaining but this kind of stuff just ticks me off. I've had a few friends remind me about the reliability of the GT because they saw/read the BS that Top Gear had with the GT - due to an AFTERMARKET botched alarm install.

Now this.... with the Tesla. How stupid. Obviously by pushing the car into the garage they are leaving viewers with the distinct impression that they ran out of charge.

I think they can grow up and mix the entertainment with more accurate reporting - but that may require more professionalism than either the hosts or producers can muster.


As Stunts would say - remember it's a TV entertaiment show first and a car show second.


Top Gear is fun to watch - just a bunch of Car Crazy Brit's having a real good time. I find it interesting that their studio/hanger has seats for the host and guests. Only show I have every seen where the audience stands up through out the whole show.
 

Empty Pockets

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Only show I have every seen where the audience stands up through out the whole show.


Pbly because in the U.K. it's the custom for commoners to stand before "royality". :bored But, I'll defer to Neil on that ...
 

fordcapri

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I think the reason why they stand up is because they are constantly moving around various sections of the studio to film different parts of the show. I certainly don't think the audience object to it as there is over a two year waiting list to get tickets for the show. I don't always agree with Clarkson's assessment of cars, but as another member said it is more of an entertainment show, as well as a car show. I would take it just as it is, as a bit of entertainment, and never be too offended about him slagging certain cars down.
 

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My concern is there are lots of people who don't know it's entertainment (not everybody is as enlightened as you guys). They take what TG says and run with it; propagating the inaccuracies. Frankly, it ticks me off when I hear/read people degrade the GT because of Clarkson. Their only exposure to the car is what he said and they feel they know all about it because of him. Top Gear made the GT sound like a piece of junk that wouldn't start, wouldn't run and got miserable gas mileage. None of which are true. I've never had a car that was better built or easier to maintain. I regularly get between 16 and 21 mpg (unbelievable numbers for a supercharged 550hp V8). I can only assume Clarkson drove his in 2nd gear at 140mph with the parking brake on.

I have the same concerns with his reports on Tesla (as well as the other cars he's misrepresented). I know there are many on this forum who are not too keen on the Tesla, it's clearly not the car for everyone, but at least the GT forum members have the integrity to voice legitimate issues and do not resort to making up stuff.

I think I've about had it with Top Gear.
 

Kayvan

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I always aim to uncover the truth or booty in my posts...
 

06VistaBlueGT

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All I can say is, take Jeremy Clarkson with a grain of salt.
 

PL510*Jeff

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The Truth from a Believer

I always aim to uncover the truth or booty in my posts...



Mark06GT believes in the truth too ---

"Yea Though I Drive Through the Valley of Death, I Will Fear No Evil, for I just hit 160 and I’m still in 3rd gear.

Rally III 9:13 "
 

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Mark06GT believes in the truth too ---

"Yea Though I Drive Through the Valley of Death, I Will Fear No Evil, for I just hit 160 and I’m still in 3rd gear.

Rally III 9:13 "

160kph = 99.4mph

Very doable in 3rd gear.
 

PL510*Jeff

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160kph = 99.4mph

Very doable in 3rd gear.


Or second!
 

Empty Pockets

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Or second!


In your case mebbe NOT after those 3:90's are installed! :biggrin
 

Neilda

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Sadly, I find the show to be entertaining but this kind of stuff just ticks me off. I've had a few friends remind me about the reliability of the GT because they saw/read the BS that Top Gear had with the GT - due to an AFTERMARKET botched alarm install.

Now this.... with the Tesla. How stupid. Obviously by pushing the car into the garage they are leaving viewers with the distinct impression that they ran out of charge.

I think they can grow up and mix the entertainment with more accurate reporting - but that may require more professionalism than either the hosts or producers can muster.

........And this is why Top Gear would not really work in the USA. :cheers
 

Neilda

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I thought this might be of interest:

Jeremy Clarkson writing in the Sunday Times.....

"I don’t talk to the car makers. They don’t talk to me. I simply borrow their cars. I write about them. They go back whence they came and, whether I’ve been kind, indifferent or wrong, the world continues to turn.

All of which brings me on to the curious case of the battery-powered Tesla sports car that I reviewed recently on Top Gear. Things didn’t go well. The company claimed it could run, even if driven briskly, for 200 miles, but after just a morning the battery power was down to 20% and we realised that it would not have enough juice for all the shots we needed.

Happily, the company had brought a second car along, so we switched to that. But after a while its motor began to overheat. And so, even though the first was not fully charged, we unplugged it — only to find that its brakes weren’t working properly. So then we had no cars.

Inevitably, the film we had shot was a bit of a mess. There was a handful of shots of a silver car. Some of a grey car. And only half the usual gaggle of nonsense from me shouting “Power” and making silly metaphors. And to make matters worse, we had the BBC’s new compliance directive hanging over us like an enormous suffocating blanket. We had to be sure that what we said and what we showed was more than right, more than fair and more than accurate.

Phone calls were made. Editorial policy wallahs were consulted. Experts were called in. No “i” was left undotted. No “t” was left uncrossed. No stone remained unturned in our quest for truth and decency.

Tesla could not complain about what was shown because it was there. And here’s the strange thing. It didn’t. But someone did. Loudly and to every newspaper in the world. The Daily Telegraph said we’d been caught up in a new fakery row. The Guardian accused us of being “underhanded”. The New York Times wondered if we’d been “misleading”. The Daily Mail said I could give you breast cancer.

This was weird. Tesla, when contacted by reporters, gave its account of what happened and it was exactly the same as ours. It explained that the brakes had stopped working because of a blown fuse and didn’t question at all our claim that the car would have run out of electricity after 55 miles.

So who was driving this onslaught? Nobody in the big wide world ever minds when I say a BMW 1-series is crap or that a Kia Rio is the worst piece of machinery since the landmine. And yet everyone went mad when I said the Tesla, the red-blooded sports car and great white hope for the world’s green movement, “absolutely does not work”.

I fear that what we are seeing here is much the same thing professors see when they claim there is no such thing as man-made global warming. Immediately, they are drowned out by an unseen mob, and then their funding dries up. It’s actually quite frightening.

The problem is, though, that really and honestly, the US-made Tesla works only at dinner parties. Tell someone you have one and in minutes you will be having sex. But as a device for moving you and your things around, it is about as much use as a bag of muddy spinach.

Yes, it is extremely fast. It’s all out of ideas at 125mph, but the speed it gets there is quite literally electrifying. For instance, 0 to 60 takes 3.9sec. This is because a characteristic of the electric motor, apart from the fact it’s the size of a grapefruit and has only one moving part, is massive torque.

And quietness. At speed, there’s a deal of tyre roar and plenty of wind noise from the ill-fitting soft top, but at a town-centre crawl it’s silent. Eerily so. Especially as you are behind a rev counter showing numbers that have no right to be there — 15,000, for example.

Through the corners things are less rosy. To minimise rolling resistance and therefore increase range, the wheels have no toe-in or camber. This affects the handling. So too does the sheer weight of the 6,831 laptop batteries, all of which have to be constantly cooled.

But slightly wonky handling is nothing compared with this car’s big problems. First of all, it costs £90,000. This means it is three times more than the Lotus Elise, on which it is loosely based, and 90,000 times more than it is actually worth.

Yes, that cost will come down when the Hollywood elite have all bought one and the factory can get into its stride. But paying £90,000 for such a thing now indicates that you believe in goblins and fairy stories about the end of the world.

Of course, it will not be expensive to run. Filling a normal Elise with petrol costs £40. Filling a Tesla with cheap-rate electricity costs just £3.50. And that’s enough to take you — let’s be fair — somewhere between 55 and 200 miles, depending on how you drive.

But if it’s running costs you are worried about, consider this. The £60,000 or so you save by buying an Elise would buy 15,000 gallons of fuel. Enough to take you round the world 20 times.

And there’s more. Filling an Elise takes two minutes. Filling a Tesla from a normal 13-amp plug takes about 16 hours. Fit a beefier three-phase supply to your house and you could complete the process in four (Tesla now says 3½). But do not, whatever you do, imagine that you could charge your car from a domestic wind turbine. That would take about 25 days.

You see what I mean. Even if we ignore the argument that the so-called green power that propels this car comes from a dirty great power station, and that it is therefore not as green as you might hope, we are left with the simple fact that it takes a long time to charge it up and the charge doesn’t take you very far. We must also remember that both the cars I tried went wrong.

In the fullness of time, I have no doubt that the Tesla can be honed and chiselled and developed to a point where the problems are gone. But time is one thing a car such as this does not have.

Because while Tesla fiddles about with batteries, Honda and Ford are surging onwards with hydrogen cars, which don’t need charging, can be fuelled normally and are completely green. The biggest problem, then, with the Tesla is not that it doesn’t work. It’s that even if it did, it would be driving down the wrong road. "
 

Mark06GT

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Interesting article on hydrogen fuel.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-hydrogen-hoax

I'm not a chemist, but it makes sense to me. I would be interested in any comments from people who know more than I do.