To bumper delete or not to bumper delete


Gulf GT

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No question in my mind, the car looks better without the bumper. I have struggled with this decision ever since the option has come available. Please understand that I give it serious consideration, however in this day and age of big civil litigation over “supercar” accidents it’s risky. It's that accident where someone gets hurt and they hire an attorney, that attorney then finds out the bumper has been removed, sues you for 10 million dollars, your insurance company finds out from the opposing attorney that the bumper has been removed, your insurance company then drops your coverage on the accident because you removed DOT mandated safety equipment, your umbrella policy steps out of the way because it’s based on proper primary vehicle liability insurance coverage, you then write the plaintiff and their lawyers a check for 5 million dollars. Basically, if you’re liquid net worth is high, you would have a problem. If your net worth isn’t that high, and everything you own really has no equity, you won’t have a problem. Most folks with a high net worth have insurance and layers of legal protection to protect their wealth from any type of litigation or liability no matter how outrageous or bizarre. Removing the bumper creates a direct pathway that pierces that protection directly to the heart of your estate. However small you argue the risk, there would now exist a financially devastating blow that could be executed to your estate that simply did not exist before. And, it isn’t much of a stretch when you see how frequently these cars are totaled. Others have scoffed at this idea, but we’re not talking about a “first” here, it happens all the time in liability litigation. Lawyers are always looking for an angle, and you just handed it to them on a “silver platter”. Some insurance agents will tell you outright you’re not covered, and others say “shhhh, don’t say anything and I’m sure it’ll be OK…”. If you feel you have Michael Schumacher’s ability, and you trust your insurance agent to step right up and say to the judge; “oh yeah, I remember that conversation” in a court of law, then you’re in the clear.

Yep, it’s a small window of risk, but a kind of risk many of us don’t currently have. It’s one thing to drive fast cars around and have a wreck. It’s another to do it without liability insurance. Not unlike the arguments about using harnesses without a roll cage. Very small risk, but boy if it hits, watch out. With all that said, I have to admit that I still think about it to this day, but I haven’t done it, yet????
 
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BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
This is not a legal opinion, just an layman's opinion!

I generally agree with Gulf GT, with one caveat. The insurance company may try to weasel out of coverage. But if you have the resources to pursue your insurance company and your own defense and can prove that the absents of the bumper did not materially contribute to the accident then you can get a judgment for the insurance company to pay to the extent of your coverage any outlays you have may incurred for your defense.

Also, I still have my bumper!
 

MK2_GT

GTX1 Owner
Mar 25, 2006
795
Yep, it’s a small window of risk, but a kind of risk many of us don’t currently have. It’s one thing to drive fast cars around and have a wreck. It’s another to do it without liability insurance. Not unlike the arguments about using harnesses without a roll cage. Very small risk, but boy if it hits, watch out. With all that said, I have to admit that I still think about it to this day, but I haven’t done it, yet????


Rear bumpers mostly serve as protective nets for the other exterior parts and accessories in the vehicle. I think the risk is beyond minimal.
 
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B O N Y

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love my tight white bumperless ass.
 

B O N Y

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thanks GT GUYS, get nothing but complements on my white ass. :)
 
Aug 25, 2006
4,436
I remain respectful of all opinions and yet in the end I will never hang the bumper back on my gal.

The day she arrived I saw her in my minds-eye without it and then The GT Guys and I chatted at length until the day came that the dream became a reality and since that day I have never looked back........ except at her ass which looks phenomenal.

The cars are fricken awesome in OEM trim and yet to a person (certainly there are a few exceptions) they are massaged into the girl/guy of their dream

Takes care

Shadowman
 

Ed Sims

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bumper in crash

If the crash is bad enough will anyone know there isn't a bumper in that tangled mess? Maybe it, along with other parts, didn't make it to the wrecking yard. I think the frame & engine is decent protection in a rear end hit. Isn't the bumper for minor hits only?

Ed
 

Roger Vincent

GT Owner
May 31, 2006
275
Bowling Green, KY
I always thought the bumper was not part of the design process. It doesn't show up until close to production and only because Ford had to include it. Camilo & the boys didn't want it!

Ed


Even though he didn't want it, didn't he still design it?
 

nota4re

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Feb 15, 2006
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Isn't the bumper for minor hits only?

Yes, to meet federal 5mph impact standards. It really wouldn't do much good after that. To be effective for protection, the impact would need to be in line witone or both frame rails. This is the same for the RBD cars - the frame rails are still present and just as strong. A center impact in the stock car is going to also be about the same - RBD or not. The stock bumper has a giant hole in the middle which would collapse it almost immediately.

Finally, with all of the various cars on the road and the large population of SUV's, the chances that rear-end collision is going to be exclusively on the rear bumper is kind of remote.

I originally had no intention of doing a RBD conversion. However, once I saw the first couple of cars I did for others, it just looks so..... natural. My analogy (and I may have already used it previously in this thread), is to picture how odd our bumper would look on a C6 corvette. That's how odd it looks on our cars too.... once you've seen it without.
 

pauleddy

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Sep 14, 2007
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Newport/Boca Grande
Hey, Lee:
My GT seems to be identical to yours (stripes delete), with the exception of the black bumper and the Ford Racing muf/exhaust on mine. Must say, yours looks great but i don't own a "body shop" so my bumper will stay put (for now)! What Insurance Company covers your car with "bumper delete"?
Paul
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
What Insurance Company covers your car with "bumper delete"?
Paul

Don't ask, don't tell.:lol
 

somelee

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Mar 9, 2007
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New York & SoCal
Hey, Lee:
My GT seems to be identical to yours (stripes delete), with the exception of the black bumper and the Ford Racing muf/exhaust on mine. Must say, yours looks great but i don't own a "body shop" so my bumper will stay put (for now)! What Insurance Company covers your car with "bumper delete"?
Paul

you don't work for my insurance company do you? :skep
 

Gulf GT

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Don't ask, don't tell.:lol


That is the best way to put in the least amount of words!:wink
 

AlohaGT

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Nota4re performed his first RBD on my Heritage. It took a bit of cajoling to convince him to do it but as you've read, he's now a believer (as are many others). IMO, the rear appendage detracts considerably from the otherwise clean lines of the FGT. Clearly, the original design was RBD. I elected the CDC as it has a more finished and polished look but others prefer the GT40 appearance. Either option is an aesthetic improvement.

Here are a couple of pix of mine:

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6768&page=3
 

Ed Sims

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internal bumper

If it makes one feel safer (insurance wise) then go with the GTX bumper delete. I believe they have an internal hidden bumper. Bumpers are for parking lot collisions & not for road accidents so safety wise don't fret. Go for looks!

Ed
 

Waxer

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Jul 22, 2007
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Guys: I agree that the car looks better with RBD. I have asked my agent to run it by my insurance company. If they say no problem I will confirm in writting and the bumper is history.

All the arguments you make about how the the bumper really has little value are true and logical. My concern, and knowing insurance companies, is 1) dealing with a dewb adjuster can be maddening at best and 2) what insurance companies do best is look under the rocks for any reason to deny a claim.

I'd prefer to do the RBD, however, if my carrier won't approve it for coverage I won't do it.

Has anyone cleared it with their insurance company?????:confused
 

Ed Sims

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Insurance Company Permission

Waxer - Ask them if it's ok to go faster than the speed limit while you're at it. I have a funny feeling the bumper delete, the speed limit, engine mods, etc will not go over well with most insurance companies.

Ed
 

Piana

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Right on Ed!
 

BELIZE91

GT Owner
Sep 7, 2006
106
Hartland MI
Ya, like where are you going to put all those "Ferrari for lunch, etc" bumper stickers?

Ed

PS My bumper is gone by the way!

Or the best one I have seen "Life is a Bitch, Why Elect one? With a picture of Hillary on it
 

ChipBeck

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Feb 13, 2006
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Seek forgiveness-not permission.

Has anyone cleared it with their insurance company?????:confused

No. As a licensed insurance broker for 20 years during my tenure as an automobile dealer I have some experience in this regard. Everything you need to know about your automobile insurance is spelled out in your policy documents. A large percentage of automobiles on the road are modified in some way and unless the owners insurance policy specifically states that vehicle modifications void insurance coverage, it isn't void. Let me point out that many pickup trucks are manufactured and sold with no rear bumper as it is not required. These trucks are no harder to insure than those with bumpers. The SEMA convention that just ended displayed millions of vehicular modifications. I doubt that convention would be quite that large if many of those modifications voided insurance. Do what you like with your car, enjoy it, you're covered. Cheers.

Chip