oil comparison test


tpraceman

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Here is part one. Pressure test.

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil Tests.pdf
1. ROYAL PURPLE Racing Oil full syn 20W50 withstands 295,722 psi

2. ROYAL PURPLE Street Oil full syn 10W40 withstands 131,432psi

3.VALVOLINE DURABLEND semi-syn 10W40 withstands 23,858psi

4. PENNZOIL semi-syn 10W40 withstands 9,200psi

5/6. Tie RED LINE full syn 5W40 withstands 6,389psi

5/6. Tie MOBIL semi-syn 10W40 withstands 6,389psi

7. SHELL semi-syn 15W50 withstands 2,920psi

8. SHELL full syn 5W40 withstands 2,567psi

9. CASTROL full syn 0W40 withstands 2,011psi

10. MOBIL 1 full syn 0W40 withstands 1,540psi
 

analogdesigner

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Thanks! Jay
 

nota4re

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Conceptually a very interesting test. But, I'm not smart enough to understand the validity of such a test and the methods used.

Thanks for posting.
 

analogdesigner

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Conceptually a very interesting test. But, I'm not smart enough to understand the validity of such a test and the methods used.

Thanks for posting.
Kendall, I agree. Did you know that you can apply certain types of hand lotion and pass that test better than most motor oils? The test is also questionable because it is done with the oil at room temperature. I would have like to seen it performed at 250 degrees F, as the outcome could have much different. Also, testing an oil with several thousands of miles on it would be interesting, as the additives slowly degrade. Let's see what happens when they publish their engine wear tests.

Regards,
Jay
 

cobrar1339

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The results are nearly linear with Viscosity ratings. The outliers show the better products and worse products. Example is the Redline 5/40 bucking the trend, this is a very good score for that weight. The Shell 15/50 is very weak in comparison it should come in right after the 20 wt products.

A mulitgrade oil is intended to increase viscosity with heat, the more viscosity the more shear strength. THis is a room temp test.

Tests should fall in the the following order in respect to protection at room temp or above freezing.

0wt - Worst
5wt
10wt
20wt - Best

Straight 30wt.

The thinest weights allow the car to start in very cold weather and protect the motor. That is the old school formula. While thin, it is thin enough to pump quickly and prevent damage. A 20wt oil in sub zero would not protect as well at start up, taking longer to pump to critical components.

Mfg tolerances, multi-valve motors, hydraulic chain tensioners, etc all play a role in the oil weight selection for the OEM. Take a base 4.6 32v Ford, it likes a 5w -X for tolerances but also needs it to get the chain tensioner to pump up fast and avoid a ticking noise at start-up. But throw a 20W in it and if you don't blow the filter off, it will make a ticking sound in very cool weather. Anti-drain back filters are also more popular as they keep oil in the can and can feed those hyd tensioners quicker. Spin a filter without it on a 24v Ford V-6 in cool weather and listen for the tick, tick tick.

As your car warms up your viscosity increases. IMO the test just proves that reving a cold motor is NOT smart. Always get the car up to temp before hammering on it. We have a 50wt vis, simply the most protection in any traditional oil. The 5w beginning number is for tolerances, again, do not rev a cold motor and you should have no issues.

I have no clue what this magazine was trying to prove. This is oil 101. It does not sound like the author understands the concept. He should have been able to predict the finishing order by Vis. If comparing a 10wt vs. a 10wt, then you have something to show.

Tpraceman lines it up perfectly... Just compare the starting vis to a simlar starting vis. the durablend is a stand out as the test results should double with the doubling of the vis.

I think Royal Purple is a good product, I even helped them get a start on the retail side, but I seriously wonder if someone did not sneek in some straight 40wt and 50wt for this test or heat it up. I see no other logical reason for the psi to be that high.
 

tpraceman

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Cobra R you have nailed the point I have been preaching for 30 years.
Let the oil come to temp or at least let the motor run for a few minutes before putting a load on it.

On your daily drivers a remote starter is probably the best mod you can do to extend the life of the motor and the oil.

I hope the magazine prints more in depth stuff as they indicated they will.

I have yet to use RP as finding it is very difficult but a friend of mine is on the Harley Drill team (like the blue angels of motorcycles) They practice several times a week for hours and do lots of slow speed trcks which the heat can cook the rider. all the drill team members have digital heat probes in the crankcase and each of them report 25 to 30 degrees cooler temps over the Harley synthetic of the same weight. So something must be different
 

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And they put their digital heat probes where?