live at Le Mans for today's qualifying session


davefordgt

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FORD all 4 cars in top 5 qualifying session

http://www.motor1.com/news/63955/le-mans-24-hours-qualifying-live-commetary/

Huge news first qualifying session is over

All four Ford GTs in the top five of GTE-Pro now, the #51 Ferrari the only interloper.
 
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davefordgt

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The Corvettes are now officially second to last and last in GTE Pro. There will be some glum faces down in the Pratt & Miller garage tonight.
 

davefordgt

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To confirm, that's Fords in one and two, four and five in GTE Pro
 

davefordgt

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GTE Pro, as it turned out, was all about one manufacturer - Ford.

No doubt the sudden turn of pace the quartet of GTs showed will be a big talking point in the coming days and weeks.
 

davefordgt

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Ferrari and its 488 put up a brave fight, with third for the #51 car all of a sudden not looking too bad.

As for Porsche, Aston Martin and Corvette? They were nowhere.
 

davefordgt

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Leading GTE Pro times:
1) #68 Ford 3m51.185s
2) #69 Ford +0.312s
3) #51 Ferrari +0.383s
4) #67 Ford +0.405s
5) #66 Ford +0.853s
6) #71 Ferrari +1.323s
 

davefordgt

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So two hours of qualifying in the book, and four more hours to go on Thursday.

However, the doom mongers would have you believe it's going to rain, so has the grid already been set?
 

JCO1966

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So two hours of qualifying in the book, and four more hours to go on Thursday.

However, the doom mongers would have you believe it's going to rain, so has the grid already been set?

That would be great!!!!!
 

Xcentric

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I admit to total ignorance of Bop, but before qualifying, a few blogs were saying that the latest change handed the race to Ford.???
 

dbk

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The last change was 5 kg. Irrelevant.
 

Cobrar

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The last change was 5 kg. Irrelevant.

Like a great game of poker, play out to the last card. 2 more qualifying sessions, but the weather doesn't look to be an asset for anyone to improve their starting position. Here it's good to remind everyone it's a REALLY LONG race, there will be many things that play out over 24 hours. Race attrition thru accidents and mechanical issues seems to usually take out about 1/3 of the field.
 

Matech GT1

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The issue now is that , and I fully expected this to happen, is that the Fords have now shown their performance after they took out all their sand bags. Surprise surprise they were staggeringly quick compared to their previous efforts and now look like the super cars they were designed to be with the results showing clearly with All four cars in the top five.

Dave Richards of Aston Martin is calling foul, which is no surprise and say that the ACO must act, as this clearly is not in the spirit of the rules, and seeks for the rules and BoP to be properly enforced or 'the fans will have no race to watch'. His cars are all at the back, as are the Corvettes and the Porches. Aston Martin are the experts in sandbagging, and concealing their sandbagging, and are still not showing their hand. They are holding back and holding back, raising more and more complaints, and 'simply asking for the rules to be properly enforced'. And he's pulling Corvette and Porsche into the mix.

Ford have shown their hand too soon. GHC, having been formerly at Aston Martin, should have been acutely aware of how to manage slow and staged removal of 'sandbags' rather than this dramatic increase in performance. Aston with gentle but insistent whinging will pile the pressure on for 'urgent changes' to be made to 'those Fords'.

This should have been done with much more subtlety and finesse by Ford. Shows inexperience in my very humble opinion.
 

MNJason

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How did the Corvettes "dominate" the last few races and now end up at the back?
 

THamonGT

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Excellent comments Steven, you been there, done that. Hope this showing by Ford works to our advantage.
 

THamonGT

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Surely there will be additional sanctions against the Ford GT's just because of their qualification times yesterday. All others are crying foul and with that plan how fast will they run in qualifying today. Was that runaway yesterday a smart move or not? I'm hoping it wasn't just plain inexperience or ego and PR. Now they have to be able to back up what they have already shown two days before the start. I don't feel negative about their times and performance yesterday. Did they feel like with good weather conditions yesterday during the first qualifications, now is our time to lead the pack as conditions tomorrow look rainy and here's our best chance? We will all See on Saturday. I'm so excited I can't even sleep now much less on race day. GO BLUE Let's hear anyone else's thoughts?
 

PL510*Jeff

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Tomy I agree:GO BLUE

First of all Ford GT's didn't hold back. I love the" Let's Go For It" performance yesterday. It certainly got everyone's attention.

As to BOP adjustments/penalties : it's an "Oh Well, it's the rules we need to follow" situation. Lot's of sand being stewed around the track.

Remember the post race penalties that Lambo had in Daytona. Now that was flagrant. Lot's of teeth chipping going on. Typical of Le Mans racing.
 

BtwoG

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Given the weather, maybe not a bad call anyway.
 

davefordgt

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Ford sweeps front row in GTE

The LMGTE Pro class saw Ford take a headline-grabbing and controversial 1-2-4-5 on its first appearance at Le Mans as a works team for 34 years.

Dirk Muller’s time of 3m51.185s in the #68 Ford Chip Ganassi Racing Team USA-entered car (also driven by Joey Hand and Sebastien Bourdais) beat Ryan Briscoe’s 3m51.497s late on in first qualifying.

With the UK-based Ford GT’s placing fourth and fifth, it was an ultra-successful resumption of the Ford story at La Sarthe, Muller's pole adding to previous overall poles for Ford entries in 1965, 1966 and 1967.

The continuation of the Ford vs Ferrari legend looks set to be renewed as the #51 AF Corse 488 GTE of Gianmaria Bruni, James Calado and Alessandro Pier Guidi will start third with a lap that was just 0.383s off the pole time.

The LMGTE Pro class was effectively split in to two, as the Fords and Ferraris annexed the top seven positions, while the rest, including both works Porsches, Corvettes and Aston Martins, were well adrift.

LMGTE Am sees the #61 Clearwater Racing Ferrari 458 Italia of Rob Bell, Keita Sawa and Mok Weng start from pole ahead of the #98 Aston Martin trio Pedro Lamy, Mathias Lauda and Paul Dalla Lana.
 

davefordgt

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The Ford GT squad has vehemently denied allegations of hiding performance in the run-up to the Le Mans 24 Hours following the American brand's spectacular first qualifying showing on Wednesday evening.


Larry Holt, the Vice-President of Multimatic - the company which was instrumental in bringing the Blue Oval back to top-level endurance racing, and which was a cornerstone in designing and building the new car - declared that Ford’s competitors were "whining and moaning."

“What you saw last night was absolute getting a bunch of guys, two major OEMs in a Ford/Ferrari battle," said Holt. "That’s what everybody wants to see:Ferrari and Ford hammering it out.

"And all these other guys, like Corvette, who got hit with a BoP [penalty], there’s no way they are as slow as they showed last night. That’s complete bullshit.”

According to Holt, the Ford GT, which was as much as five seconds faster in qualifying than during the test day, went quicker than expected due to a combination of circumstances.

“We took every advantage, obviously, like low fuel," said Holt. “We knew we were going to go faster. We know where the car should be, but we hadn’t realised that lap time for a whole bunch of different reasons.”

Holt went on to state that the majority of running before qualifying had concentrated on reliability, and not performance work.

“There was a lot of maintenance-type work, correlating our fuel consumption, tyre wear, brake pad wear and so on through the test," he continued. "We were just running a lot of laps, making sure that we could do the required 14 [laps] on fuel."

“All that sort of thing was going on at the test, observed by the FIA. So, we did some fast laps,but nothing spectacular and ended up with a 3m56s knowing full well that the car should be capable, on race pace, of probably mid-3m54s, which is our target race pace time.”

Holt claims that several stars became aligned on Wednesday for at least some of the Ford GTs to go for an all-out fast lap, a decision sanctioned by Ford chiefs Raj Nair and Dave Pericak.

“It became a big qualifying battle last night,” said Holt. “ThenFerrari stepped it up and all of a sudden we were strapping on slicks and running low [fuel] tanks and putting in the fast guys.

"I had to ask, Raj Nair and Dave Pericak: ‘What do you want to do?’ They said: ‘OK, go’. So we went!”

Did atmospheric pressure aid turbo times?

Holt also maintains that the atmospheric pressure contributed to the spectacular lap times in Q1.

“They [the ACO] declare an atmospheric barometric pressure that we run to on the turbo cars,” he explained.

“Last night the actual barometric pressure was significantly less than [usual], I think they declared 1019 millibar for what they think it is going to be over the weekend, and last night it was actually something like 950.

"So we probably had eight or 10 horsepower due to what they were declaring as atmospheric pressure, and what atmospheric pressure really was last night. That’s an advantage you sometimes get from a turbo.

"Add all those things together, and you saw the outcome: 1, 2, 4, 5.”

Suggesting that there was not much more pace that could be squeezed out of the Ford GT, Holt admitted that there is an expectation the car will be pegged back by the ACO and the FIA.

"I don’t expect to be left alone now because of the how BoP works," he conceded. “I’m waiting for a lightning bolt to hit me in the head. We were four tenths up on the Ferrari.

"I would think they will probably do something to pull us back about half a second. So I would say you probably saw the most out of the car in qualifying."

"We did not hide performance"

Holt was direct in his answer about possible sandbagging before qualifying, saying: “Did we hide anything before last night? No, we never hid any performance per se.

"There’s nothing sneaky under the table. But we never went out to set a qualifying lap time.

“Where did the Ferrari time came from? They were three seconds quicker too. You do that in qualifying. That was an absolutely balls-out qualifying lap.

"I think there’s probably over a second in the atmospheric table and a little bit [extra] just because we got carried away. I mean, Dirk [Muller] put one in right on the last lap. He got a tow, saw 301kph [on the Mulsanne straight].

Holt was quick to express the notion that the aerodynamic advantage of the Ford GT was also a significant part of its blistering speed in qualifying, and that Ferrari has more power at its disposal.

“They [ACO/FIA] watch you all the time and they never said: ‘Oh, you guys are sandbagging’. I mean they look at the data," said Holt. "We’re very fast, if you look at our top speeds, trap speeds.

"But if you look at the car, it’s very small. It’s got a frontal area way less than the competitors. But we’re down on power. It’s significantly less.

"The BoP power curve, the power/boost table, is providing much less power to us than Ferrari."

Corvette pace ‘nonsense’

The remaining manufacturers in GTE Pro - Porsche, Aston Martin and Corvette - were all significantly slower than Ford and Ferrari, which between them locked out the top seven positions in class.

But Holt said he was convinced that Corvette, whose cars ended up at the bottom of the times, performed their own sandbagging exercise in order to be given a performance break for the race.

“There is no way that the Corvette is that slow, no way,” opined Holt. “They got a bad BoP break but there is no way that their pace is the pace they showed last night.

"The pace we showed last night, that’s our pace. The pace Ferrarishowed last night, that’s their pace. Will we get some BoP [penalty] to even that out? Maybe we will.

"But the other guys, the guys that are whining about it, and moaning and hiding their performance, I have no time for them.”

“If they want to have this classic Ferrari/Ford battle that they keep talking about, last night we showed them a little bit of that action. It’s an entertainment thing, right?

"And in the end I’m not going to bitch if the ACO/FIA gives them a balance of performance advantage to catch us up. But I don’t believe they are all as slow as they’re showing. That’s nonsense.”

Any final changes in the LMGTE Pro BoP would be confirmed on Friday ahead of the race on the Saturday.
 

davefordgt

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few pics from qualifying sessions 1 and 2
 

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