Just ordered my new 2014 GT3

[roketman]

I will cling to 3 pedals as long as I can. I too don't care if its faster. Once the skill of car control and shifting has been learned, it is fun to keep using these skills. The current cars that are coming and will continue to come, are unreal.

Will it be fun to "race" an autonomous car?

Im with you on the 3 pedals!
I take great pride and satisfaction in being good at foot work.
In the racing world good foot work can be the difference in winning and losing.I can say I have won a few races and made some passes because a fellow racer missed a shift or messed up on his foot work.
Give me 3 pedals, talent a shifter and I’m happy!
Go to the 12:55 mark to see foot work .This is what driving is all about! (Yes my feet!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0bKF0a4oxE
That being said I do have a GTR with 2 pedals!

 

[bonehead]

I would be grateful for an automated manual if bonehead amputated my left leg.

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That can be arranged, Gary. I'll even throw in a toaster.

Bonehead???? Really?? Are you still using Penicillin for all infections too???:facepalm::facepalm:

Amir, have you forgotten? I'm an orthopod. I don't even know the names of any antibiotics much less use them:lol

......the only reason porsche no longer offers the manual transmission in the turbo or 991 GT3 is that the PDK is decidedly faster. Let me say that I think you would really enjoy the new 991 PDK transmission. As with my previous 997, this car is not even drivable in the non-sport mode, but in sport mode and with sport exhaust the PDK car is very enjoyable to drive. IMHO, I think that if you own a FGT your other exotic car SHOULD be one w a dual clutch.

Amir, this is where the argument falls flat for me and for the other 'relics' that hold onto the 3 pedal cars. I don't care if it's faster. Until my lucrative multimillion dollar sponsorship to drive to and from work, around the local canyons, and the occasional track day, I'm ok with being a little slower than the flappy paddlers.

I have extensive experience with BMW's SMG trans and some with the PDK cars at the Porsche Sport Driving School. I know the technology has advanced considerably since then (i.e. smoother, faster, seamless shifts), but it has never been about how quick it gets through the gears. Yeah, it's fast. I get that. So was my wife's ML63 with an autobox and paddle shifters. To me, it's the same transmission. One just has has fancier name and costs more.

As for my 'other exotic', I'm just a poor country surgeon. I can't afford more than one nice car.:frown

And yes, my DD is a 6 speed as well. Had to order it and wait 3 months to take delivery since my dealership didn't have a single manual transmission on the lot.

 

[33Bravo]

There is no question that everything else being equal - a 2 pedal car will be faster than a 3 pedal car. But personal preference - I really like a 3 pedal car. I also I'm becoming a relic..

 

[Sinovac]

Amir, this is where the argument falls flat for me and for the other 'relics' that hold onto the 3 pedal cars. I don't care if it's faster. Until my lucrative multimillion dollar sponsorship to drive to and from work, around the local canyons, and the occasional track day, I'm ok with being a little slower than the flappy paddlers.

I have extensive experience with BMW's SMG trans and some with the PDK cars at the Porsche Sport Driving School. I know the technology has advanced considerably since then (i.e. smoother, faster, seamless shifts), but it has never been about how quick it gets through the gears. Yeah, it's fast. I get that. So was my wife's ML63 with an autobox and paddle shifters. To me, it's the same transmission. One just has has fancier name and costs more.

Bravo.

 

[pvgtX2]

Not so fast Ed. You know I love u man... But I can just imagine hearing some of the orthopods who trained u saying.. That arthroscopy stuff... That's for the birds. I love to touch n feel the bone. I like big incisions.. And I like to be a really really slow surgeon. Forget ORIF... Nothing like a really great cast for everything.

I love the FGT. that's why I own two of them. But driving my 911 is an incredible driving experience. Very very different... But very enjoyable nonetheless.

Course what go I know? I'm a surgeon too and by definition always sure but often wrong!!

 

[RALPHIE]

...IMHO, I think that if you own a FGT your other exotic car SHOULD be one w a dual clutch....

The Ford GT HAS a dual clutch.

 

[RPM217]

I love this argument, could watch/play with it all day. If I want to have everything done for me automatically, I may as well:
wait for the google car
play auto video games
hang a picture of a car on the wall like EP does
I will concede that if you're "racing" seriously, every millisecond counts, and you should have the slushbox, it is faster.
If you're driving a car for the enjoyment of a fine sportscar, and really want to "participate" in the experience, than it's a 3 pedal car. If you're driving in NYC heavy traffic, than an automatic is the preferred mode.
let the arguments continue................

 

[pvgtX2]

The Ford GT HAS a dual clutch.

Not to second guess yoda on this, but isn't there a very clear distinction between twin-plate and "dual clutch"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_clutch_transmission

 

[beckertb]

I love this argument, could watch/play with it all day. If I want to have everything done for me automatically, I may as well:
wait for the google car
play auto video games
hang a picture of a car on the wall like EP does
I will concede that if you're "racing" seriously, every millisecond counts, and you should have the slushbox, it is faster.
If you're driving a car for the enjoyment of a fine sportscar, and really want to "participate" in the experience, than it's a 3 pedal car. If you're driving in NYC heavy traffic, than an automatic is the preferred mode.
let the arguments continue................

Roger and I have very similar thoughts. On the track, in a RACE, I much prefer a sequential or paddle shifter, just because it makes it more reliable to focus on other aspects of driving. I have never nor to I plan track either of the GTs but enjoy them as fun street cars. I have a few paddle shift street cars and don't find them terribly rewarding and pointless to take them to a track when I have cars that are really designed for that. As far as that goes, I really enjoy tracking the atom with an old bulky 5 speed but again, wouldn't "race" it. At the same time, I couldn't see having a manual transmission in the escalade.

It does boil down to what you find fun. I guess I just enjoy the nostalgia of clutch/shift driving. I think one of the greatest sounds is the 2-3 shift in my old gated F car.....

Drive on!
ben

 

[Wwabbit]

PDK is the way forward. It's winning races in Germany. I just bought a 2014 Cayman S in Germany that will be converted to full race spec for the same reason. (no comments please, it's a good platform and is winning in VLN V6 class). Also, Porsche has figured out their engine,clutch and total drive train warranty claims are down when they control the shifting. And, it has pushed up the value of my manual GT3RS. Keep your legacy cars, but embrace the future.

 

[david b]

Ha. I knew this would get people going.

The PDK is the future which makes the 3 pedal cars so much fun and unique

I am blessed to enjoy both as so many others are here.

 

[RALPHIE]

Not to second guess yoda on this, but isn't there a very clear distinction between twin-plate and "dual clutch"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_clutch_transmission

I stand corrected - :thumbsup

 

[RPM217]

Roger and I have very similar thoughts. On the track, in a RACE, I much prefer a sequential or paddle shifter, just because it makes it more reliable to focus on other aspects of driving. I have never nor to I plan track either of the GTs but enjoy them as fun street cars. I have a few paddle shift street cars and don't find them terribly rewarding and pointless to take them to a track when I have cars that are really designed for that. As far as that goes, I really enjoy tracking the atom with an old bulky 5 speed but again, wouldn't "race" it. At the same time, I couldn't see having a manual transmission in the escalade.

It does boil down to what you find fun. I guess I just enjoy the nostalgia of clutch/shift driving. I think one of the greatest sounds is the 2-3 shift in my old gated F car.....


Drive on!
ben

Ben, I knew you and I are "kindred spirits"!!!!

 

[roketman]

The way I see it the last generation of super cars with 3 pedals are going to be worth big bucks !

 

[Xcentric]

...to your estate?

 

[dbk]

A good dual clutch transmission is as much fun on the road as it is on the racetrack. If you take a 458 up in the mountains and spend a couple hours roaring through the turns with the DCT executing the shifts you command, I would be very surprised if more than 10% of the population truly believes "hey, that would be more fun with an old gated shifter."

There are good manual transmission and bad ones. Same for a DCT. Depends on the car, depends on the situation. I think if you've concluded that a manual trans is always going to be better as a pure driving experience, you are going to miss some seriously good pure driving experiences.

 

[Xcentric]

Well, IDK about missing pure driving experiences given my meager talents. There are lots of DCT cars I won't have the opportunity to drive that I would love to drive. OTOH, we'll never know for sure about the relative merits as a street driver if we can't compare the same car with a MT.

Looking forward to posts about AT vs. MT C7s, given that they are among an almost extinct species.

 

[GTdrummer]

A good dual clutch transmission is as much fun on the road as it is on the racetrack. If you take a 458 up in the mountains and spend a couple hours roaring through the turns with the DCT executing the shifts you command, I would be very surprised if more than 10% of the population truly believes "hey, that would be more fun with an old gated shifter."

There are good manual transmission and bad ones. Same for a DCT. Depends on the car, depends on the situation. I think if you've concluded that a manual trans is always going to be better as a pure driving experience, you are going to miss some seriously good pure driving experiences.

What he said

 

[pvgtX2]

any word on the gt3?

i thought this was funny.

 

[roketman]

Doesn’t matter what you think or what you say it’s truly an awesome car!
As racer I love foot work and shifting.Its one of the skills of being a talented driver. It can also determine based on your ability,if you Win or lose.
But for the sport of it ,its all fun paddles or shifting! You choose!
Personally ,I go both ways! No pun intended!