How many members will pay 400K and are interested in buying new GT..

[Matt]

That is a problem, you see, since the interested members of the forum alone would commit all of at least the first year's US allocation, if not total production. They won't allow that either.

We'll see what the "points" system looks like.

Poll results would indicate otherwise.

 

[STORMCAT]

That is a problem, you see, since the interested members of the forum alone would commit all of at least the first year's US allocation, if not total production. They won't allow that either.

We'll see what the "points" system looks like.

What would be wrong with that and why don't you think they will allow it ? The fact that they made the announcement to us at the rally might be a good indication who is important to them.. And the program is unique to protect the buyer. To me that is also a strong clue to their mindset.
The poll above says (94) here. If the production is (200) to (250) a year that still leaves plenty for the Ford Family, Ford Execs and the Jay Leno's of the world , and that will satisfy year one. It's going to go one for more than one year so we'll just need to wait and see.. I still remain very optimistic that good things will come to the fanatic supporters ..

 

[fjpikul]

Too bad you didn't make ALL the rallies StormKitty. if your nice I'll give you a ride for a few years till you maybe get one. Ha ha (evil laugh)

 

[nautoncall]

The poll above says (94) here. ..

Don't know if that number is true, it may be from when it was first posted. I think a lot of us changed our mind when Raj said current owners would be given at least some priority. If the poll was now redone... "If FGT owners get priority for the NFGT, who would buy?"



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[twobjshelbys]

Don't know if that number is true, it may be from when it was first posted. I think a lot of us changed our mind when Raj said current owners would be given at least some priority. If the poll was now redone... "If FGT owners get priority for the NFGT, who would buy?"



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And the forum membership is maybe 1/2 of the total owners and active participation 1/2 of that.

 

[STORMCAT]

Too bad you didn't make ALL the rallies StormKitty. if your nice I'll give you a ride for a few years till you maybe get one. Ha ha (evil laugh)

ya,, you got me there.. But do you have these? I got them from Ford with my application.. Letter says something about here's your passport to your dreams... if you are for real show me your aluminum mini dash plaques ... :wink

 

[Ed Sims]

I'm with Stormcat on this one!

Ed

 

[STORMCAT]

I'm with Stormcat on this one!

Ed

Sign one Ed up for Team STORMCAT !! :biggrin:biggrin

 

[Vince H]

I'm with Stormcat on this one!

Ed

Tony it seems to me you are looking for a guarantee. You're not going to get one in regards to this car but we all have a better chance than what was originally believed and here is why.

The way I see it there is plenty of reason to believe we, (Current GT Owners), have a better chance than most at being given the opportunity of ownership. Everything worth knowing was presented at this year's Rally in my opinion. Just take a second and look at the goodwill and acknowledgement extended to us by Ford at this year's Rally. To allow us the privilege to see the designs and skunk works of the GT project, interact with the Ford design team and Executives and then announce the allocation system to the attendees was far greater than anything I could have hoped to expect. What a gesture by Ford. The important points I took away from this year's Rally and the time spent talking to and listening to the Ford Executives could be summed up in the following.

1. The New GT will be allocated (250 a year) on a customer basis. Ford wants to personally review the application of each person and effectively take out the dealer markups.
2. Priority is going to be given to loyal Ford Customers including current Ford GT Owners.
3. The Ford Executives do read this board and do care a great deal about their customers. I honestly believe they want the New GT to get into the ownership of existing GT owners. I had several conversations with the design team and execs and they conveyed that very point to me. Our loyalty goes much further than some give them credit for.
4. Prior to the Rally when all of us were speculating that we would have no chance of obtaining one, a certain person on here was telling us to relax and to wait and see. What I learned from personal conversations with high level Ford Executives was that this very person was lobbying for us and representing us and our interest in trying to get ownership of these cars. In other words, the Ford Executives took this person's advice of an allocation system seriously and ultimately went in that direction. For that I am grateful. (Take a second and think about what I'm saying here.)

Point is they listened to this person, read our concerns and are about to implement a never before by Ford application program that gives us a chance to own one. That in my opinion is far more than we deserve or should expect and I am stoked for the opportunity. I sincerely hope I have the chance at ownership and if I don't, I honestly hope one of you are lucky enough to get one. It is a masterpiece and it needs to be in the ownership of those that will champion it. I don't think there is any better group of owners to do so.

Vince H

 

[Ed Sims]

I'm with Vince on this one!

Ed

 

[twobjshelbys]

Tony it seems to me you are looking for a guarantee. You're not going to get one in regards to this car but we all have a better chance than what was originally believed and here is why.

If you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.

250 per year is total world wide production. Maybe 175 vehicles come to the US. Of that allocation, there is also a split between civilian owners and Ford Dealer owners that want to buy a car for themselves. Say that 50 cars go there. Allowing for world-wide smushing, that says (to me) that the US/Canada civilian allocation is 125 cars, 150 max.

I'm trying to make the point that there are enough members here to consume all of the US allocation, so realistically, Ford won't permit that. While we as a group are the flag bearers for the brand, they will necessarily (politically) have to spread them around.

Just wait. When the order banks open it's going to look like an overbooked United flight on Christmas Eve.

Some here, I'm sure, will get to the head of the line. If it is true that original owners get bonus points that kicks out most of the rest of us here [I'd bet that current GT owners also get points, but not as many as original, first registered, owners]. But most of us (and most of the world) will have to try again next year. Or the year after...

In the end, the competition for the cars after a few owners, the mathematical behaviour of the "system" will be that of a lottery or sweepstakes where those who had the most tickets win. Some tickets are grandfathered to their owners before the tickets are available to the rest of us and they will bubble to the top.

I'll try but I'm not holding my breath.

P.S. I'm mostly in agreement with what you said, only disputing that the number of available units is about 1/2 of worldwide production. I assert again, that you may want to consider getting a PO box (or equivalent) in Dubai.

 

[Matt]

Tony it seems to me you are looking for a guarantee. You're not going to get one in regards to this car but we all have a better chance than what was originally believed and here is why.

The way I see it there is plenty of reason to believe we, (Current GT Owners), have a better chance than most at being given the opportunity of ownership. Everything worth knowing was presented at this year's Rally in my opinion. Just take a second and look at the goodwill and acknowledgement extended to us by Ford at this year's Rally. To allow us the privilege to see the designs and skunk works of the GT project, interact with the Ford design team and Executives and then announce the allocation system to the attendees was far greater than anything I could have hoped to expect. What a gesture by Ford. The important points I took away from this year's Rally and the time spent talking to and listening to the Ford Executives could be summed up in the following.

1. The New GT will be allocated (250 a year) on a customer basis. Ford wants to personally review the application of each person and effectively take out the dealer markups.
2. Priority is going to be given to loyal Ford Customers including current Ford GT Owners.
3. The Ford Executives do read this board and do care a great deal about their customers. I honestly believe they want the New GT to get into the ownership of existing GT owners. I had several conversations with the design team and execs and they conveyed that very point to me. Our loyalty goes much further than some give them credit for.
4. Prior to the Rally when all of us were speculating that we would have no chance of obtaining one, a certain person on here was telling us to relax and to wait and see. What I learned from personal conversations with high level Ford Executives was that this very person was lobbying for us and representing us and our interest in trying to get ownership of these cars. In other words, the Ford Executives took this person's advice of an allocation system seriously and ultimately went in that direction. For that I am grateful. (Take a second and think about what I'm saying here.)

Point is they listened to this person, read our concerns and are about to implement a never before by Ford application program that gives us a chance to own one. That in my opinion is far more than we deserve or should expect and I am stoked for the opportunity. I sincerely hope I have the chance at ownership and if I don't, I honestly hope one of you are lucky enough to get one. It is a masterpiece and it needs to be in the ownership of those that will champion it. I don't think there is any better group of owners to do so.

Vince H

Nice post Vincy! I couldn't have said it any better. Sadly, it doesn't matter. We'll be having this same debate for the next 3-4 years <sigh>

 

[Vince H]

I understand you are looking at this by the numbers and in the end some will unfortunately be left out. However, you and I and all of the other owners have more of a chance today than any of us originally thought. Agreed? This is in part thanks to the direction Ford has elected to go in regards to application and allocation and being a owner/member of the Ford GT Forum quite honestly. Why worry ourselves about the evaluation process until we see it? Ford has shown us time and again over the last few months that this program is vastly different than any other endeavor they have taken on. They have expressed their personal appreciation to our loyalty and ownership. By your own admission you are going to apply because some chance is better than no chance. You own an incredible 05-06 Heritage and have a great many things to be proud of. I intend to continue this journey with my glass half full. Hope you will join me for a drink.

Vince H

 

[twobjshelbys]

I understand you are looking at this by the numbers and in the end some will unfortunately be left out. However, you and I and all of the other owners have more of a chance today than any of us originally thought. Agreed? This is in part thanks to the direction Ford has elected to go in regards to application and allocation and being a owner/member of the Ford GT Forum quite honestly. Why worry ourselves about the evaluation process until we see it? Ford has shown us time and again over the last few months that this program is vastly different than any other endeavor they have taken on. They have expressed their personal appreciation to our loyalty and ownership. By your own admission you are going to apply because some chance is better than no chance. You own an incredible 05-06 Heritage and have a great many things to be proud of. I intend to continue this journey with my glass half full. Hope you will join me for a drink.

Vince H

Yep, agree! Kinda like the players card at the casino

I wonder if they will offer consolation prizes, like, I chose Door #3. Behind door #1 is a barbecue grill set, Behind Door #2 is a wonderful new Ford GT (lose, didn't switch doors). Behind door #3 is a GT350R (I'd take that)

( By the way, you should switch doors.)

 

[Vince H]

Yep, agree! Kinda like the players card at the casino

I wonder if they will offer consolation prizes, like, I chose Door #3. Behind door #1 is a barbecue grill set, Behind Door #2 is a wonderful new Ford GT (lose, didn't switch doors). Behind door #3 is a GT350R (I'd take that)

( By the way, you should switch doors.)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to go with Door #2.

Vince H

 

[Cobrar]

....... I intend to continue this journey with my glass half full. Hope you will join me for a drink. Vince H

I was right with you until you came up with this 'glass half full' thing. On this topic, you've either a full glass, or nothing. ;-))

 

[Empty Pockets]

...until you came up with this 'glass half full' thing...you've either a full glass, or nothing. ;-))

...or perhaps a glass that's twice the size it needs to be?

 

[Vince H]

I was right with you until you came up with this 'glass half full' thing. On this topic, you've either a full glass, or nothing. ;-))

Rex,

You more than anyone should know, "I'm a race car, and I'm spinning." Come on buddy! Hahaha!

Vince H

 

[Ed Sims]

Ok, I'm still with Vince & Stormcat on this one!

Ed

 

[Gene Cassone]

While attending the meet in Detroit this year, I talked to many GT owners who have been loyal Ford owners all their lives! From their first mustang (one of many through the years) to their every day driver (explorer), and even their Ford truck to pull their trailer. When I heard the allocation news I was extremely delighted for them and congratulated them as well as Ford for this decision!! Though I have not always owned Fords , and may not receive an allocation , I am pleased that all these incredible loyal owners will get one!! Its the way it should be!! Many thanks to "You know who" from this forum for all his lobbying efforts and Ford itself for making the right decision!!
PS i am still trying to get an allocation for a Focus RS! (trying to increase my "Ford inventory" for upcoming GT application!!!)
See you all next summer at Lemans!!!