GTs @ BJ


pvgtX2

GT Owner
Mark II Lifetime
Nov 16, 2012
127
Palos Verdes Estates, CA
I was at Barrett-Jackson again this year, as I am every year. My opinion has not changed; great place to visit, but I wouldn't buy a car there.

The question of why one would buy a car at auction where other examples of the same car can be found for less or equal money from a dealer is an interesting one. I have puzzled over this for the last few years. Here's what I've come up:

1. Convenience. Some folks like the efficiency of showing up on the Gulfstream and just buying stuff on what some of us more careful people would call "impulse". For these folks, a few extra thousand here and there is a fair trade for the time it would otherwise take to shop for cars in the more traditional sense.

2. The Sportfishing mentality: These guys don't want to catch a fish from a quiet pond (the reputable dealer route), they want to brave the seas of high adventure and buy a car in the rough and tumble of the auction environment. They see it as a competition to a) find the right car among a mass of candidates and 2) beat others for the purchase on the field of battle.
Again, a surplus of money and boredom probably explain a lot of this.

3. The Only Access Theory. There are some occasions where a particular car is, for some reason, especially desirable to a buyer, and the only avenue to purchase it is at the auction. In a case where an asset or collection is being liquidated by an institution or fiduciary, a major auction is a pretty safe place to sell if one is trying to assure an asset is sold at "fair market value". In these rare cases, if a buyer wants the ONE car, he may have no choice but to brave the alcohol induced haze of the big tent auction.

As for me, if I want another GT, i'll call Shelby Smith. :)

Very well stated. I would add that during stable economic conditions, a car like the GT is basically like a commodity. The supply of cars for sale at any given time does go up and down but is generally in a range where the real value of the car can be determined +/- 10%. For me the biggest downside to purchasing a car at auction is the inability to do the PPI with as much ease as I would like. There is a certain category of vehicles that may be well bought at an auction like BJ, particularly older restorations especially non-reserve cars. I saw a few cars (mostly mopars) early in the BJ 2013 auction at Pebble Beach that went for significantly less than the expected. I wasn't interested in any of them, but a dealer next to me bought a couple for what he believed to be a huge discount. It seemed strange too that non reserve cars were crossing the block in the first hour of the auction when the room was fairly empty.
 

roketman

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Oct 24, 2005
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I saw Specracer taking some closeup pictures of a Mclaren F1 GTR at Gooding. I think it may be his surprise track car this year.[/QUOTE
I was begging him for pictures!
 

SBR

GT Owner
Aug 23, 2009
206
You would also be hard-pressed to find this L88 trade through private hands -
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=5035&aid=525
I could have bought that car last year for just over 2 million, oh well.
 

Xcentric

GT Owner
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Jul 9, 2012
5,213
Myakka City, Florida
^^^The difference is 1 of 20 almost a half century old and 2 of 3,000+ 9-10 years old. I understand auctions for rarities, but not cars that are all over eBay.
 
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FBA

GT Owner
Dec 5, 2010
1,672
31.022340° N / 44.846191° W
Actually, 1 of 1, not 20. 20 were made, but only 1 in red. I imagine that is a good part of why it commands 3.8 mil. Talk about "rare"

Like you, what I'm not getting, is if there are literally thousands of FGT's out there in great condition, why are they rising in value at the current rate of rise?

~40% in the past two years alone. That just doesn't make sense - so, is that rate of rise actually sustainable over time? Maybe I should dump my collector GT now! :)
 

Luke Warmwater

Permanent Vacation
Jul 29, 2009
1,414
Boondocks, Colorado
Regardless of how many are out there I think wrapper FGTs of any livery are only going up… way up
 

roketman

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Oct 24, 2005
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The sad thing about “wrappers” is they never get driven ! What a shame.I’ll take driving over cash thanks!
Anyone care to go for a ride? See you at the rally!
The rally is most definitely for those who like to drive there cars !
 

Specracer

GT Owner
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Nov 28, 2005
7,154
MA
Boy I wish......


I saw Specracer taking some closeup pictures of a Mclaren F1 GTR at Gooding. I think it may be his surprise track car this year.


2 fords I saw that I didn't get, a 13 boss 302 for $47xxx and a 13 gt500 for $67k. Both had almost 10k miles on them. These are used cars selling at sticker. And that's before you get them home.

After a few years now, the circus novelty of barrett is wearing off, especially the expanded footprint with even more "midway" crap than ever. Enjoyed it on Wednesday, sat not so much.
 

Cobrar

GT Owner
Mark II Lifetime
Jun 24, 2006
4,025
Metro Detroit
After a few years now, the circus novelty of barrett is wearing off, especially the expanded footprint with even more "midway" crap than ever. Enjoyed it on Wednesday, sat not so much.

We should have gone to Mecom ~ 3000 cars. And on the slim possibility that we had gotten bored, we could have gone over to Uncle Walt's place.
 

roketman

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We should have gone to Mecom ~ 3000 cars. And on the slim possibility that we had gotten bored, we could have gone over to Uncle Walt's place.
Why don’t we just do a winter rally??
 

Cobrar

GT Owner
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Jun 24, 2006
4,025
Metro Detroit
Why don’t we just do a winter rally??

OK Ron, here is a primer for you: http://www.exoticdriving.com/race-track/orlando-walt-disney-world-speedway
 

Biginch Blake

GT Owner
Mark II Lifetime
Nov 4, 2008
992
Rockville, Indiana
At Mecum for next 3 days. 3 GT's up for sale. Blue on Friday, Yellow early Saturday and Heritage late Saturday. Yellow (568 mile) is just ahead of the star "Real McCoy" Corvette. May set some new high numbers. If other four members here PM me. Let the games begin.
 

Xcentric

GT Owner
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Jul 9, 2012
5,213
Myakka City, Florida
Is it yours?
 

cobrajeff

GT Owner
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Feb 5, 2006
688
Daytona Beach
I spent the day at Mecum Tuesday. There are five GTs listed on their website - I searched and searched, but could only find three of them. The Yellow '05 (Lot #S131) and Matte Black twin-turbo car (Lot #S80.1)were nowhere to be found on the grounds.
 

Biginch Blake

GT Owner
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Nov 4, 2008
992
Rockville, Indiana
The other 2 are in the exhibition hall
 

Biginch Blake

GT Owner
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Nov 4, 2008
992
Rockville, Indiana
The yellow one is on the main stage as one of the star cars. And no it is not mine but if sale price is high I am only 50 miles from the Indy auction. Never know.
 

RPM217

2005 white/blue stripe
Jun 18, 2010
1,664
Rye Brook, New York
I just had a conversation about "prices" on collector quality cars with a good friend yesterday, who has a nice "collection", and is in the process of adding a significant car to it. His feeling is that with this latest increase in many of the cars values, cars that were not for sale, are now being "tempted" out of the garage. How many of you have said, it's not for sale, but if it gets "x" dollars. As I said to him, I have every intention of driving and enjoying it, until I can no longer do so...............but driving a car with "$X" is OK, but if it's now worth 2 times X, will I still drive it? Good question, I'll want to, but.................
I've told everyone my NSX isn't for sale (had quite a few people ask me how much I want), but if someone offers me $100,000, I'll quickly sell it, and buy another one. My GT isn't for sale, but if someone wants to give me $350,000 today, I'd do the same!!!
 

Sinovac

GT Owner
Mark II Lifetime
Jul 18, 2006
5,862
Largo, Florida
I just had a conversation about "prices" on collector quality cars with a good friend yesterday, who has a nice "collection", and is in the process of adding a significant car to it. His feeling is that with this latest increase in many of the cars values, cars that were not for sale, are now being "tempted" out of the garage. How many of you have said, it's not for sale, but if it gets "x" dollars. As I said to him, I have every intention of driving and enjoying it, until I can no longer do so...............but driving a car with "$X" is OK, but if it's now worth 2 times X, will I still drive it? Good question, I'll want to, but.................
I've told everyone my NSX isn't for sale (had quite a few people ask me how much I want), but if someone offers me $100,000, I'll quickly sell it, and buy another one. My GT isn't for sale, but if someone wants to give me $350,000 today, I'd do the same!!!

Yep. With these crazy auction prices, we are likely to see a flood of "wrapper cars" hit the market.
 

Empty Pockets

ex-GT Owner
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Oct 18, 2006
1,362
Washington State
My GT isn't for sale, but if someone wants to give me $350,000 today, I'd do the same!!!

'Shameless opportunist!
 

RPM217

2005 white/blue stripe
Jun 18, 2010
1,664
Rye Brook, New York
'Shameless opportunist!

May the mother of all leeches invade your tidy whities!!!