Ford Racing 2005-06 Ford Gt Power Upgrade Package Finally Available @ $999.99!!!!!


dbk

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I read the warranty post by DBK. The pulley is not covered under the warranty unless installed by the dealer, but does installing the FRP power package end the warranty on the motor and transmission?

You'll have to judge that for yourself from the language.

"The use of Ford Racing parts and components is likely to increase horsepower which may cause damage to the vehicle driveline and adversely affect other performance characteristics. Such damage is the sole responsibility of the consumer and is not covered by this Limited Warranty."

Like I said, I think it's academic anyways because no 2.9" pulley is going to damage what an 850rwhp Twin Turbo won't. But as with all warranty language, the vague wording leaves interpretation of what does or does not cause any potential damage to extremely subjective diagnosis.

If you bust your trans (which would be a shock) and you have said pulley, what are the odds a dealer is going to just eat a $15k transmission vs. investing the effort saying you voided the warranty according to the warranty language? I think the answer is pretty obvious, and there is nothing iron clad in
Magnuson-Moss that over-rides the "may cause damage to driveline or performance" wording. You added horsepower, you added stress on the motor and driveline = dealer not giving up a 35k motor or 15k trans.

That said, I've run a much smaller more powerful pulley for 10,000 miles without a second thought.
 

Bill Oxley

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Jun 15, 2006
138
Denver area
DBK, but wouldn't the dealer, to some degree, have an interest in getting the go ahead from Ford to get the work, for the profit tied to the warranty work? Maybe not looking closely at any engine mods, and just focusing on the "broken transaxle". Does Ford really watch the dealers that closely?

I don't know a darn thing about this kind of stuff, but was just curious.
 

dbk

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DBK, but wouldn't the dealer, to some degree, have an interest in getting the go ahead from Ford to get the work, for the profit tied to the warranty work? Maybe not looking closely at any engine mods, and just focusing on the "broken transaxle". Does Ford really watch the dealers that closely?

I don't know a darn thing about this kind of stuff, but was just curious.

Believe me, Ford would fight you to the bitter end if they could avoid replacing a part that costs $15,000 because they had legal language that gave them a shot at it. Just like any other business. I think the vast majority of dealers would turn that work away anyway, as they simply aren't equipped to deal with it. I ever have a major problem with my car, Rich and Dennis are the only people touching it anyways.

*I'm also gonna reiterate the odds of you harming your transaxle or engine with this part are well below minute*
 

canuck

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Mar 4, 2006
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Not released because still some final testing.
In regards to warranty it is covered. BUT......
For specifics here is a site you can download the ford racing catalogue with the warranty coverage/liability listed from pages 1-7.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/catalogs.asp
 

dbk

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Not released because still some final testing.
In regards to warranty it is covered. BUT......

Here is the exact text from the FRPP Limited Warranty:

The warranty will cover parts and labor to replace defective components on Ford Dealer installed parts only.
  1. A 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty is applicable if installed at the time of new vehicle delivery (i.e, this is not applicable)
  2. A 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is in effect if installed after the date of vehicle delivery but prior to expiration of 3 years / 36,000 mile vehicle warranty (is applicable to some but not all)
Ford Racing Parts are not Genuine Ford Parts. All Ford Racing Parts are aftermarket parts. Therefore, they may not be used in any application that requires the use of Genuine Ford Parts. The use of Ford Racing parts and components is likely to increase horsepower which may cause damage to the vehicle driveline and adversely affect other performance characteristics. Such damage is the sole responsibility of the consumer and is not covered by this Limited Warranty.

The following limitations apply to the products covered by this Limited Warranty:
• The purchase invoice(s) may be required for submission of warranty claims.
This warranty does not cover vehicles that are used in off-road racing activities.

I just don't want there to be any confusion. If someone encounters a problem, I don't want them to be telling anyone "I read on the internet it was under warranty!". I would take the meaning of the text extremely literally.
 

Edson

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Mar 28, 2007
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Santa Monica
The FRP warranty applies to the actual parts sold by FRP (pulley), FRP is not assuming liability if their part damages a vehicle. How does installing the pulley from FRP effect the warranty from Ford Motor Company. I believe they are two different warranties.
 

dbk

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It effects the warranty on the part it is installed and any parts affected by the change. Magnuson-Moss dictates that if you put on a pulley and your battery goes bad or your headlight goes out, they are unrelated and the warranty is unaffected. Likewise, if you add a new stereo and your engine blows, your warranty for the engine is unaffected.

If you go to the page where this part is listed on FRPP's website:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=9768

The "limited warranty" icon is displayed. If you click that link it takes you to this page:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/announcements/news47.asp

Where the following text is displayed:

All Ford Racing Parts are aftermarket parts. Ford Racing Parts are not Genuine Ford Parts or Accessories. Therefore, they may not be used in any application that requires the use of Genuine Ford Parts or Accessories.

Ford Racing Performance Parts are sold "as is" with no warranty. A Limited Warranty is available for some select parts and will be denoted by the following logo...
The GT power pack is one of the items with said logo.

Then the following text:

The warranty will cover parts and labor to replace defective components on Ford Dealer installed parts only.
  • A 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty is applicable if installed at the time of new vehicle delivery
  • A 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is in effect if installed after the date of vehicle delivery but prior to expiration of 3 years / 36,000 mile vehicle warranty
Clicking on the "warranty" link brings up a PDF.

That PDF has the following text.

WARNING NOTICE:
Ford Racing Parts are not Genuine Ford Parts. All Ford Racing Parts are aftermarket parts. Therefore, they may not be used in any application that requires the use of Genuine Ford Parts. The use of Ford Racing parts and components is likely to increase horsepower which may cause damage to the vehicle driveline and adversely affect other performance characteristics. Such damage is the sole responsibility of the consumer and is not covered by this Limited Warranty. Consumers are solely and completely responsible for evaluating their vehicle to ensure that the vehicle, and each part of that vehicle, is appropriate for this Ford Racing part or component. It is the consumer's sole responsibility to have the performance enhancement parts properly installed on their vehicle along with any modifications that are necessary for the proper performance of the vehicle.

Vehicle damage caused by a consumer's failure to modify the vehicle properly for use of one or more Ford Racing parts and components is not covered by this Limited Warranty and is the sole responsibility of the consumer. This Limited Warranty and/or the New Vehicle Limited Warranty on your vehicle may be voided, either in whole or in part, where the vehicle has been damaged due to a consumer's failure to modify the vehicle properly as necessary for use of Ford Racing parts and components.

Retail Customers: To obtain warranty service, please return your vehicle to any Ford, Lincoln or Mercury Dealership. Please have your original dated receipt for date and installation verification.

The information I posted before is also included. That is the extent of the text. From that text, you can see what is covered. Do not rely on any gray area or possible exceptions for what might be covered. If it does not say, "if the engine or transmission is damaged with the use of this item, your factory warranty is unaffected". Under normal OEM factory warranty, modifying the engine voids the engine warranty. This FRPP limited warranty expressly states:

The use of Ford Racing parts and components is likely to increase horsepower which may cause damage to the vehicle driveline and adversely affect other performance characteristics. Such damage is the sole responsibility of the consumer and is not covered by this Limited Warranty.

...which is the exact opposite of saying "if the engine or transmission is damaged with the use of this item, your factory warranty is unaffected". I think that's pretty clear.

That is the only information in the "Limited Warranty" from FRPP. This is a change from the rest of FRPP's aftermarket parts which came with no warranty.
 

Edson

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Mar 28, 2007
103
Santa Monica
Thanks DBK,
Your last post spells it out very clearly, thanks for taking the time to research this.
 
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Mark O

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So, if I understand this, one can believe it's covered under warranty until something breaks, then, you're on your own. :lol
 

Silverbullitt

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Mar 3, 2006
1,757
Lago Vista, TX
That's why I asked the dumb question in the first place.
 

gwbartlett

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Feb 22, 2006
110
Indiana
M-2005-gt

I just received a call my my local Ford dealer, McCoy Ford, here in Muncie that my FRPP pulley and Ford Racing calibration will arrive at their facility on Friday Novemebr 16. According to FRPP the stock belt will work. Also, according to FRPP the supercharger has to be removed and the gasket maker compound is for reinstalling it. I ordered a new gasket as I am not reusing the old one.
 
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analogdesigner

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Nov 15, 2005
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San Clemente, CA USA
All,

The pulley, lube and adhesive sure looks like it's from the Rousch kit.
 

paul b

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2006
810
Do you think the tune gives 75 HP ?
 
analogdesigner - Check this out:

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Looks close but the Ford pulley still looks smaller:

m-2005-gt.jpg


Paul b - We have dyno proven tunes that will give the Ford GT 50RWHP as long as you have some sort of aftermarket exhaust on. If you have the factory muffler the same tune will only do 30RWHP. If Ford Racing is claiming an additional 100hp at the crank we are going to assume 85RWHP. We have a local customer we are going to do a before and after dyno to log the results and additional data very soon and will post what we find.

Jack @ MMP
 

911teo

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Jan 5, 2007
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Surrey, UK
Jack

did u get my order?

I will also do a pre-post dyno with stock exhaust...
 
911teo - PM'd you!
 
uh oh.....

Well to our disappointment we received our first batch of these kits in and guess what........

1) No instructions......

Here is a link though:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=9768

2) No Pro-Cal Tool......

You have to go online and register the product and wait 7-10 business days to get the Pro-Cal Tool.

Sorry to all those that have purchased this kit from us and the new wait time to actually install and recalibrate your computer.

Jack @ MMP Sales
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
jack@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"
 
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