Ford GT Appreciation


dbk

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Jul 30, 2005
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I always see or hear this large number of wrecked cars and always thought it was way high as you indicated earlier. No doubt it's a big number and it will always be "hear say" since there is no way to really know.

I definitely agree that the number is high versus other cars, probably the highest of any car in this class, but there's no basis for these comical assertions that there are nearly 2000 salvage title cars (or salvage title condition cars that have been secretly destroyed and rebuilt under a clean title). Anybody that wants to peddle that assertion should really either put up with real information validating it or shut up. Here's me going out on the world's sturdiest limb: they'll be doing the latter.

This notion has been mentioned in different terms several times and while the small number of cars creates a small market, its the demand that drives prices, not the specialist dealers. If it was truly the dealers, the prices would have risen MUCH more quickly in years past. Truth is, the dealers are having to pay more to keep any inventory and its moving at the current prices. Comparing market general prices to advertised dealer prices, I really don't see the known GT dealers making any higher markup rate for their services than they did say 2 years ago. Its always going to cost a bit more to buy through one of the dealers, its the dealers services you are paying for. Worth it to some, and not to others. Its still a big enough market that its moving on simple supply and demand. I don't see any of the dealers hoarding cars for inventory to drive up prices. Heck, if anything the available inventory is much less as the cars are moving.

x 2.
 

Gene Cassone

GT Owner
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Dec 3, 2005
1,018
way upstate NY
Whether we race them, "drive it like we stole it", or collect them, who cares! One way or another we enjoy the car for whatever reason. And if prices go up great!! It is all supply and demand. Supply probably < 4000 remain. The car is an icon probably not to be reproduced (not soon at least). Demand going up. With Canadian dollar at par (wonder how many are going north now?), eastern europe, Russia, middle east, india and China coming on line now (extra 2 billion people and yes there are million and probably some billionaires in these country) demand is surely to rise. (its what is happening in pre 1980's Ferrari market)
 

Ed Sims

GT Owner
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Apr 7, 2006
7,922
NorCal
It it be odd to reproduce the new GT like they reproduce the original GT?

Ed
 

Simon

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Feb 19, 2013
1,265
Houston
Missed it ..how was it
keels and wheels is this weekend?
 

MTV8

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Jul 24, 2010
1,021
Houston Texas
Most cars fall off the radar once out of production, but the GT has stayed at the top of the performance ladder. I think that the well publicized record setting mile runs have played a big role in current prices.
 

Waxer

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Jul 22, 2007
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Regardless of how often I drive my GT each time is an "occasion".

It is a car that comes along once in a generation that becomes an icon in its own time.
 

twobjshelbys

GT Owner
Jul 26, 2010
6,189
Las Vegas, NV
Regardless of how often I drive my GT each time is an "occasion".

It is a car that comes along once in a generation that becomes an icon in its own time.

I agree on point 1

On point 2 there is no doubt in my mind that the gt is the beginning and end of an era. No American manufacturer will ever come close. The new Camaros and mustangs will have their 2014 model year swan songs and in 2015 they will be back to the same thing we went through in the mid 70s when they took a 350ci and made it 90 hp (my 73 chevelle)
 

Waxer

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Jul 22, 2007
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So you disagree on point 2? Why?
 

Xcentric

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Jul 9, 2012
5,213
Myakka City, Florida
The way I read it, the "disagreement" is between once in a generation and once in forever. More like, I agree but I'll take your point even further.
 
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dbk

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I know I've beaten this horse to death, but the notion that there's going to be a return to the dark ages for performance cars is demonstrably false. It really kind of started when the first comparisons occurred between the 00 Cobra R, 01 Z06, and the Viper GTS. At the time those cars were 385, 385 and 460 hp, and people thought "they really can't unleash things much faster than this on the general public." By 2006, the GT was really about 580 hp, the Z06 was 505 hp, and the Viper was 510 hp. Now you can get a 638 hp ZR1, a 662 hp Mustang and a 640 hp Viper. That's an insane acceleration in a nuclear hp war. The Mustang, which is based on a vastly inferior platform, will soundly outrun a Ford GT on a race track with a competent driver, so 8 years after the end of GT production, it's hard to rationalize that the GT was the beginning of the end. If you think horsepower levels are going to level off or decline, you're right. Outside of the super duper ultra cars like the 900 hp Ferraris and McLarens, there's not a lot of point in escalating past 500-600-700 hp. But total performance is going up. Better tires, better transmissions, less weight, higher efficiency, launch control, faster lap times. Across pretty much all vehicle segments, performance has increased dramatically, and will continue to do so. Even my wife's Flex would whoop my first V8 Mustangs ass in a drag race. That's pretty wild. A 616 hp McLaren on 305 tires will run mid 10's in the 130s out of the box. Little more than a decade ago we were excited to build snotty drag cars that did that on Mickey Thompsons.

There's definitely truth to the notion that analog supercars are dead. No more high hp, no nannies, manual trans, high risk high reward widowmaker cars. When even Porsche is abandoning the manual trans in their purist models, you know things look bleak for it That will certainly play in the GTs favor and make it highly desirable for people that know what that experience is like. It's exciting to drive no matter what in a way that most of the video game supercars aren't. Same for cars like Carrera GT.

People would freak out if they saw the current crop of benchmark vehicles sitting over in Allen Park.
 

twobjshelbys

GT Owner
Jul 26, 2010
6,189
Las Vegas, NV
The way I read it, the "disagreement" is between once in a generation and once in forever. More like, I agree but I'll take your point even further.

Yes, that was my point.
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
I know I've beaten this horse to death, but the notion that there's going to be a return to the dark ages for performance cars is demonstrably false...
Dave you are right! I never thought stock performance would be this much higher and this soon. :cheers
 

campgreenlake

GT Owner
Sep 10, 2007
96
Florida
A nice analysis of the Ford GT's market appeal. RB http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130708/CARNEWS01/130709919
 

Howard

GT Owner
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Apr 26, 2007
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Florida/North Jersey
That's RPM217's white Ford GT in the article, photo taken at the Greenwich Concours in which he trophied. Well done!

Howard
 

Kayvan

GT Owner
Jul 13, 2006
4,782
Even in Cali there are not as many as you would think and many appreciate the sight