Disappointment from McLaren... P1 info


GT1261

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May 28, 2012
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Well maybe I was to harsh on the title but I was hoping for a screaming, fire spitting LOUD super technical V12. Damn it.

I DO LOVE THE MP4-12C its a fantastic car which looks billion times better in real life but the P1 uses the same 3.8 V8 Turbo engine, with a price tag over
the FANTASTIC Hyura.

Where is the automotive world leading to...?

http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/01/19/mclaren-automotive-to-make-only-500-p1-supercars-each-to-cost-1-2-million/
 
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Wwabbit

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Nice looking machine though.
 

GT1261

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nice looking machine though.

agree
 

texas mongrel

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I've seen this beast twice, most recently during its US tour when it visited Dallas last week. The car is way nicer in the flesh - pictures do not do it justice ( like the 12C). Regarding the technical specs, no one actually knows yet because McLaren isn't releasing the official details til Feb 28th. However, current tumors in the McLaren chat rooms show 700+hp from the 12C derived engine thanks to direct injection and variable vane turbos, plus another 150+ from the electric Kers system. But, as I said, we've all got to wait a while.
The car has lots of active aero and a double diffuser and it generates huge amounts of downforce, equivalent to "two elephants" or as they announced at the showing in Newport a couple of days ago " six Jay Lenos" (he was one of the attendees )!
 

2112

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Nice looking machine though.

Almost as nice as the One-77 at the top of the page. :lol :wink
 

Joehand1

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"Porsche 918 too slow and heavy"...

Will wait and see if it is faster than the 918 at the Nurbergring..
 

dbk

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Interior shots.

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Definitely a race car. I'd say that this car will likely obliterate a 918 Spyder. What a wacko era for sports cars. Between the 918, this car, and the Enzo replacement, next year is going to be out of control. These cars are going to make what the super-duper-car bonanza did in ~03 look like peanuts. This is to say nothing of 270 mph Bugattis and more boutique madmen like the Huayra.
 

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p.s, I can agree that I don't really like the way the car looks, but it is what it is. Most of the mega cars are ugly, but they tend to look better and better once you know what they are capable of, until you ultimately convince yourself what a great looking car it is.
 

Sinovac

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Definitely not J.C. Whitney carbon fiber.
 

2112

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Definitely not J.C. Whitney carbon fiber.

:lol
 

GT1261

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Wait a minute,,, Does it have a 9 speed transmission???

Damn that is sick, fingers hurt after a track day with that one on the Ring.

But I like it, its just sad it doesn't have a 12 cylinder engine...
 

texas mongrel

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Wait a minute,,, Does it have a 9 speed transmission???

Damn that is sick, fingers hurt after a track day with that one on the Ring.

But I like it, its just sad it doesn't have a 12 cylinder engine...

......err, that's the tachometer.
 

dbk

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:lol
 

GT1261

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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

WATCHED IT FROM THE PHONE hahaha :wink

You never know these days, haha the beemers have 8 speed so.

The carbon looks really nice, british engineering at its best.
 

dbk

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Still think it looks weird, but moving towards don't care if performance indications are to be believed. I have a really hard time swallowing that the car is supposedly markedly faster than the MP4-12C GT3 race car on a circuit, but if it is, this is definitely going to be the fastest production street car around a track ever built, and by a huge amount. Reports that it was the fastest production car ever around Silverstone by 24 seconds? This I have to see to believe. Texas Mongrel - what do you know? What are the secrets of camp McLaren?

Looks small!

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texas mongrel

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DAve

its got active aero, sort of like the Pagani Huayra - big-ass flaps under the nose and a rear wing that essentailly self-adjusts (including DRS when on a straight). Its got KERS for an additional 150+HP, its got an active suspension - based on the MP's hydraulics but with active ground clearance etc. It will log whatever track you're on and remotely optimize suspension and other settings. Its also supposed to weigh quite a bit less than the 12c. All in all, a lot more power, less weight and Bob's your uncle - a hypercar! the CF tub is based on the MP4, but has a bonded-in full roll cage, so its not really the same. REgarding its looks, I must admit I thought it was butt-ugly in the pictures. However, I've now seen the car twice and its grown on me. There is no styling of any significance, the whole shape is all about getting air in, out, and around the car as efficiently as possible. Thus, its all business and thus (in my view) a very beautiful object.
 

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About 904 hp. That should move it.

THE McLAREN P1™ ADOPTS TWIN POWER TO DELIVER PHENOMENAL TORQUE, INSTANTLY

Feb 20, 2013



IPAS (Instant Power Assist System) and DRS (Drag Reduction System) offer instant boost of power and straight-line speed
916PS (903 bhp) and 900Nm, with emissions of less than 200g/km
Substantially revised 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine coupled to low-weight, highly efficient electric motor ensures instant torque for optimised throttle response
Full E-mode offers in excess of 10km emission-free driving

The McLaren P1™ will have the combined force of two highly-efficient powerplants, offering the optimum mix of superb throttle response, day-to-day drivability and top speed. A mid-mounted 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine and a highly effective electric motor give a combined output of 916PS (903 bhp) and a maximum torque figure of 900Nm, ensuring instantaneous throttle response through the rev range, more akin to a naturally aspirated engine. Emissions of less than 200g/km on the combined cycle are reduced to zero in full electric drive mode, while the Formula 1-derived DRS and IPAS technologies offer an increase in straight-line speed and an instant boost of power.

The 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine in the McLaren P1™ is a new version of the familiar M838T unit, that has been significantly upgraded to optimise cooling and durability under the higher loads. The engine block has a unique casting to incorporate the electric motor. The petrol engine produces 737PS (727 bhp) at 7,500rpm, and 720Nm of torque from 4,000rpm. To optimise efficiency of the petrol engine, extensive testing and development work has always been carried out with McLaren Automotive technology partner Mobil 1 on lubrication and hydraulic fluids.

The lightweight electric motor, developed by the McLaren Electronics arm of the Group, produces 179PS (176 bhp), and is unique to the McLaren P1™. The motor produces maximum torque of 260Nm instantly from a standstill, greatly increasing the throttle response of the McLaren P1™, and peak combined torque of 900Nm is delivered from just 4,000 rpm. In addition to this, the McLaren-developed ‘boost’ system, IPAS, provides up to 179PS instantly. The instant response of the electric motor provides a sharper throttle response more associated with a normally aspirated engine, and the significantly enhanced air-charging system enables the McLaren P1™ to have more top-end power – the perfect combination for high performance.

The electric motor is mounted directly onto the engine, and all drive is channelled through the dual-clutch seven-speed gearbox to drive the rear wheels. Thus, the electric motor and 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine work seamlessly together, providing more than just added ultimate power and torque.

A further benefit is that the e-motor can provide faster upshifts. This is achieved through the application of instant negative torque at the point of shift, making the engine revs drop as quickly and efficiently as possible to the required engine speed for the upshift.

In addition to the obsessive weight-saving measures demonstrated throughout the McLaren P1™, so too is the optimisation of usable energy. When off-throttle the electric motor provides additional drag torque, recovering energy to the battery that would otherwise be lost to the brakes.

E-mode

The McLaren P1™can be driven in a variety of modes, powered by the engine and electric motor together, or solely by the electric motor. This ensures versatility and ease of transportation, allows use in low emission zones and residential driving is optimised with near-silent running.

Maximum power comes when using both powerplants together, but even in E-mode the performance is strong. E-mode is the most economical mode available with zero tailpipe emissions. In E-mode, the McLaren P1™ can travel more than 10km with electric-only power – enough for most city journeys. When the battery is empty, the petrol engine will automatically start to maintain drive and charge the battery.

IPAS and DRS optimise performance and throttle response

The power available via the petrol engine and electric motor is further enhanced on the McLaren P1™ through two steering wheel-mounted buttons which activate the DRS (Drag Reduction System) and IPAS (Instant Power Assist System).

The Drag Reduction System used on the McLaren P1™ is a technology similar to that employed on Formula 1 cars. Speed is increased by reducing the amount of drag on the rear wing and, where the MP4-28 has a moveable flap on the rear wing, the McLaren P1™ has a wing that reduces in angle to lower drag by 23%. The system immediately deactivates when the button is released, or if the driver touches the brake pedal.

IPAS is designed to deliver power rapidly for high performance acceleration, and provides 179PS of instant additional power. In developing the IPAS technology for the McLaren P1™, power delivery was prioritised over energy storage. This is achieved through a groundbreaking, lightweight battery pack, which offers greater power density than any other automotive battery pack on sale today.

Battery

The high power density has been achieved through a combination of high power cells, low pack weight and an innovative cooling system. The battery weighs just 96kg, and is mounted onto the underbody of the high-strength Formula 1-grade carbon fibre MonoCage chassis, which seals the unit in the vehicle, thus avoiding the added weight of any unnecessary battery packaging.

Due to the amount of power being supplied by the battery, complex cooling is required to guarantee cell performance and reliability. The coolant flow is balanced so each cell is cooled to the same temperature across the entire pack.

In addition to the battery being charged via the engine, the McLaren P1™ is also equipped with a plug-in charger which can recharge the battery, from empty, in only two hours. The plug-in charger can be stored in the luggage compartment, although the customer may choose to store it off-board – in a garage or the pits – to save weight.

Further details of the McLaren P1™ will be released in the coming weeks, before the production-ready car makes its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show next month.

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Who's up for 1/4 ownership in a hypercar? Anyone?

And hey, it goes up to 10km on battery alone, perfect for those quick trips to the grocery you have to make in your $1.3 million hypercar.
 

BlackICE

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I hope they are using a different battery supplier than Boeing.
 

GT1261

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Dave, do you think it will be a legend as the F1?
The F1 might be the best super car investment of all time.

I am a huge McLaren fan, but I dont like cars with batteries.
 

texas mongrel

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Can't see how it will have the chops of the F-1; they're building 500 P-1s versus 99 F-1s, so the cachet isn't so strong. Still, I suspect many of these will end up in Asia which might make for rarity (and thus desirability) in the West.

These are fantastic times for car lovers, we're getting the Mac, F-car and Porker hypercars all in the same year! It's a shame I couldn't BS my wife about the "fabulous value" of the P-1, same as I did for the GT and 12-C!