Car Racing Video Games (hopefully not useless crap)


RALPHIE

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Mar 1, 2007
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Vintage Racing?

Are there any games which offer "vintage" cars for racing? Like Ferrari 250 Testa Rossas, Maserati 450S's & Tipo 61's, Scarabs, McLaren M6B's or M8E's, Porsche RSK's or RS60's, Lotus 11's & 19's, Loloa T-70's, Chevrons, D-Jag's, MB SLR's & W196's, & other cars us "old fa*ts" would enjoy? Especially on the old courses at Nürburgring, Spa, Le Mans (without the chicane in the middle of Mulsanne), Targa Florio, Riverside, Laguna Seca (before the motorcycle course), Buenos Aires, even the Mille Miglia!!

I'm an "Old Fa*t."
 
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FordGTGuy

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Your kidding right?

Forza Motorsport 2 uses the most technologically advanced tire system in existence. It also has A.I. that learns your driving habits and has personalities making every race with the computer unique. Forza Motorsport 2's engine is used by the ALMS corvette team for simulation. Not to mention Forza Motorsport 2 includes the best car sounds ever put in a game.

To get down and dirty...

Forza Motorsport 2 -
Frames per second: 60 locked
Physics Frames per second: 360 (how many times the physics engine updates in a second.)
Physics Calculations per car per second: 70,000

As far as physics engines go nothing stands up to Forza.

IMO Gran Turismo is more arcade then simulation after racing Forza with no assists and all hardcore simulation playing Gran Turismo felt just silly. If your basing your experience with Forza while playing with assists on you might want to go back and try it again with them off.
 

skyrex

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Never played an Xbox 360, so I have no comments. The full GT5 has already been released in Japan and a friend of mine has it and is very impressed. If you are "in the car" view you are not going to see the damage anyway....but I do wish it had damage. Just for a comparison I am throwing up a link to the 720 car list from GT4. Lots of old classics for you Ralphie

http://www.us.playstation.com/GranTurismo4/

You can click on a manufacturer from this page and it will tell you what cars are available, Quite a few vintage ones if I remember properly. I tried to copy the whole list, but I couldn't get it to go through to post. I have only played the GT5 demo, but the graphics look insane. Waiting for the full game so I haven't played Prologue.

Picking the best game is too subjective. Sometimes I am more in the mood for the arcade types like Need for Speed rather than the more accurate sims like GT5. But I will say there incredible choices for both consoles nowadays. Great news for all of us car gamers. :cheers
 

FordGTGuy

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Prologue has been release in America for quite some time however the full GT5 is not even close to being done. Actually there is word that GT5 might not even be a 2009 release.
 

skyrex

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The GT5 version my friend (who is Japanese) has is the Japanese version. Everything is in Japanese characters, names of the manufacturers etc... Actually when I used his racing pod that was set up at his shop it had the Japanese version of GT4. Since the designers are over there they often release games there first and then they fine tune and adjust it for the bigger market here. Kind of like a large scale Beta test.

That said I have heard nothing but good things about the Forza games....just never bought a 360. Almost did when they released that zombie game Dead Rising....that game just looked like sick fun :lol. I just got hooked on the playstation consoles and always stuck with them. That and up until the last release the GTA games used to get early release on Playstation.

Don't know if anyone played it, but the new GTA is sick. Lots of cool additions, great story and really improved driving mechanics. Although I did miss being able to fly planes. :bored
 

FordGTGuy

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The GT5 version my friend (who is Japanese) has is the Japanese version. Everything is in Japanese characters, names of the manufacturers etc... Actually when I used his racing pod that was set up at his shop it had the Japanese version of GT4. Since the designers are over there they often release games there first and then they fine tune and adjust it for the bigger market here. Kind of like a large scale Beta test.

That said I have heard nothing but good things about the Forza games....just never bought a 360. Almost did when they released that zombie game Dead Rising....that game just looked like sick fun :lol. I just got hooked on the playstation consoles and always stuck with them. That and up until the last release the GTA games used to get early release on Playstation.

Don't know if anyone played it, but the new GTA is sick. Lots of cool additions, great story and really improved driving mechanics. Although I did miss being able to fly planes. :bored

I really don't think GTA 4 had a big enough map for planes to be done right however the helicopters worked out great. Planes won't become useful until we get a GTA with just a gigantic map maybe two cities and a large space in between them.

If you really enjoy games I would recommend that you buy an Xbox 360. There will be a price drop soon and you will be able to buy a 60 GB Xbox 360 for $300. There are some great games coming out soon to.

Viva Pinata 2, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, Gears of War 2, Rock Band 2, Far Cry 2 and a bunch more before the end of the year.

:thumbsup

BTW Dead Rising is an awesome game.

Sadly to say your friend does not have the full version of GT5 but either the demo that was only released in Japan or the Japanese version of Prologue.
 
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skyrex

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I am sure we will get a GTA like you are talking about. They just keep improving them. I was kind of hoping they would have had an Atlantic City for the characters in their virtual New York to head off to for missions. I loved "Las Venturas" in GTA4. Everytime I drive past the Rock Quarry on my way in to Vegas I smile and think of that game. :biggrin

I haven't been up to No Cal lately, so you are probably right...some kind of Japan GT5 demo the guy has.....but it is in Japanese, so he may think he can say it is whatever he wants....I mean how many of us read Japanese. :lol

:cheers
 

skyrex

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Also, I have to admit admit I loved the planes in GTA4 because you could jump out of them...have freefall and parachute to the ground. As a jumper I can say that it was the most accurate rendition of freefall and parachute flight that I have ever seen in a game. :thumbsup:thumbsup

I liked using the planes as Taxi's and jumping into as many missions as I could :biggrin.
 

AlohaGT

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GT guy makes a great point about the number of different kinds of cars available to play around with on these games. There are a ton and all with real world customizing options. :cheers

My friend that has a racing pod sent me this link to a real life "battle" of a Supra versus a Murcielago LP640 when I started looking at getting a GT to remind me that money can buy exclusivity, but not always the top speed. How much you want to bet that the Lambo owner was on the phone to Jason Heffner the next day after the repeated pounding he took!! :rofl:rofl:rofl

Enjoy the link, it is an entertaining two minutes. http://4wheelsblog.com/released/humiliation-toyota-supra-vs-lamborghini-murcielago

I have no idea what these guys are saying but the Lambo driver obviously enjoys getting punished, over and over again.
 

AlohaGT

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First off

I own each of the major systems; and 1080p screens, and the said steering wheels.

Forza on xbox was the most realistic racing game on the system, But lacked replay and "fun" of Project Gotham 2.

Forza 2 promised much; and in my opinion, failed to deliver on 90% of the said improvements. Many accurately called the game "Forza 1.5" mostly improving only on the fact you could play it in higher resolution, and a few new cars. Gameplay is most definitely not realistic. This could be overlooked to some degree if the in-car camera views weren't so low to the track surface. All the tracks are too wide, and feel flat and smooth.

Additionally, my biggest complaint about Forza 2 is more of a Microsoft issue itself; there is no native Force Feedback support for steering wheels; the system that exists simulates the FFB based on the input into the dual shock deal inside the controller. It is not intuative, nore correct.

PGR 4 for 360 is better, even if more arcade-like. Perhaps because it doesn't aim at a simulation, I give it the nod here.

GT5 Prologue
No damage, and AI is anything but good. It has never been the forte of the GT series. I don't put it in for the AI, but for the most realistic console driving experience out there IF you have the Logitec G25 wheel (although, most logitec Force Feedback wheels are pretty good).

There areny many race cars, but the tracks available are the best out there; and the driving physics (with all aids turned off, and switched to professional) cannot be beat on a console.

Cars that are supposed to oversteer on-throttle do, cars that understeer on entry do, trail braking kicks the car into oversteer... different cars behave differently.

For the best and most realistic simulated driving...
You have to go to your PC; and to a company called Simbin. Their latest game is called GTR Evolution; which is the newest in the GTR series. Race street cars, race cars, download extra cars and tracks made by fans at sites like www.nogripracing.com; participate in simulated race championships with other users around the world, create fully custom setups based on testing pre-race.

Bar none, the best. Graphically, the only better looking game is GT5. It also supports every steering wheel that can be used on the PS3; including the GT5. Setups for PC simulations can run from budget racers to $30,000 setups with 6 axis hydrolics and a 4 point harness.

A word of warning, GTR is so realistic, it is made in conjunction with FIA GT race teams full input, and telemetry to get the most realism. The game is quite dificult; since a simulation cannot fully depict the "Seat of your pants" feeling; a force feedback brake system isn't cheap, and ABS braking will not yeild fast laptimes.

The best of the systems if you want to occasionally kill some time by yourself, or with friends, GT5 p and PS3 is the best option.

nthfinity, many thanks for all the great info. I think you're recommending the G25 wheel. How about the seat and related system? I'm not prepared to shell out $30k at this point on something I'm not sure I'll enjoy or have time to enjoy.
 

skyrex

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30K for a sim chair system :eek. For that kind of $$$ I would buy a few old 6.6 liter Trans Ams and spend my weekends re-enacting the old Smokey and the Bandit movies....river jumps included. :biggrin
 

nthfinity

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South East MI
30K for a sim chair system :eek. For that kind of $$$ I would buy a few old 6.6 liter Trans Ams and spend my weekends re-enacting the old Smokey and the Bandit movies....river jumps included. :biggrin

http://www.x6-simulator.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9o-UySxAvU

http://www.force-dynamics.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRdF0wOBi4w

http://www.hexatechracing.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzfcKI_4Jt8

Mid, high, and incredible 6 axis simulators... The only way to simulate the "seat of your pants" feeling :)

A good budget system, the seat will be as still as your floor is (insert the occasional earthquake)

http://www.nextag.com/playseat-evolution/search-html
Which you can attach your FFB steering wheel, pedals, 6 speed gated shifter etc. to.

There are aftermarket additions to the G25 that include metal pedals, and a more robust 6 gear + reverse gated shifter that can be bought.

http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Hardware/1518730.html

However, the shifter is not very robust, on top of not being the most reliable; so I'd recomend an Acts Lab shifter (for pc sims... not sure if they are G25 ps2/3 compatible)
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=852
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=850


Are there any games which offer "vintage" cars for racing? Like Ferrari 250 Testa Rossas, Maserati 450S's & Tipo 61's, Scarabs, McLaren M6B's or M8E's, Porsche RSK's or RS60's, Lotus 11's & 19's, Loloa T-70's, Chevrons, D-Jag's, MB SLR's & W196's, & other cars us "old fa*ts" would enjoy? Especially on the old courses at Nürburgring, Spa, Le Mans (without the chicane in the middle of Mulsanne), Targa Florio, Riverside, Laguna Seca (before the motorcycle course), Buenos Aires, even the Mille Miglia!!

I'm an "Old Fa*t."

Many of those wants are covered by the PC sim GT Legends by Simbin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BYSX4A

Again, there are many mods available from www.nogripracing.com for the GTR series of games

Your kidding right?

Forza Motorsport 2 uses the most technologically advanced tire system in existence. It also has A.I. that learns your driving habits and has personalities making every race with the computer unique. Forza Motorsport 2's engine is used by the ALMS corvette team for simulation. Not to mention Forza Motorsport 2 includes the best car sounds ever put in a game.

To get down and dirty...

Forza Motorsport 2 -
Frames per second: 60 locked
Physics Frames per second: 360 (how many times the physics engine updates in a second.)
Physics Calculations per car per second: 70,000

As far as physics engines go nothing stands up to Forza.

IMO Gran Turismo is more arcade then simulation after racing Forza with no assists and all hardcore simulation playing Gran Turismo felt just silly. If your basing your experience with Forza while playing with assists on you might want to go back and try it again with them off.
Not kidding. Having 70k samples per second doesn't mean much if the game doesn't feel right. FYI, I only play with zero aids. Graphics IMO look too cartoon-like cell shaded, rather then ray traced. In car views are the worst of any so-called simulation. The tracks feel flat, which nulifies the simulation aspects; and the lack of real FFB support takes away any "realism" which you are quick to credit. "Learning" how you drive doesn't mean much; unless you want the game to play for you.
Also, ALMS teams practice with it? HA, talk about pure marketing. FIA GT actually developed GTR, GTL, GTR 2, and GTR Evolution, which each are light-years beyond the "realism" and "most advanced" game for the xbox 360 "Forza 2"

Additionally, we are talking about playing the game against humans, or specifically for time trials; which AI doesn't really come into play at all.

nthfinity, many thanks for all the great info. I think you're recommending the G25 wheel. How about the seat and related system? I'm not prepared to shell out $30k at this point on something I'm not sure I'll enjoy or have time to enjoy.

You are quite welcome!
30k is an awful lot to spend; refer to the said links to get an ideal range of potential ;)
 

FordGTGuy

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Aug 1, 2005
636
Norfolk, VA
http://www.x6-simulator.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9o-UySxAvU

http://www.force-dynamics.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRdF0wOBi4w

http://www.hexatechracing.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzfcKI_4Jt8

Mid, high, and incredible 6 axis simulators... The only way to simulate the "seat of your pants" feeling :)

A good budget system, the seat will be as still as your floor is (insert the occasional earthquake)

http://www.nextag.com/playseat-evolution/search-html
Which you can attach your FFB steering wheel, pedals, 6 speed gated shifter etc. to.

There are aftermarket additions to the G25 that include metal pedals, and a more robust 6 gear + reverse gated shifter that can be bought.

http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Hardware/1518730.html

However, the shifter is not very robust, on top of not being the most reliable; so I'd recomend an Acts Lab shifter (for pc sims... not sure if they are G25 ps2/3 compatible)
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=852
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=850




Many of those wants are covered by the PC sim GT Legends by Simbin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BYSX4A

Again, there are many mods available from www.nogripracing.com for the GTR series of games


Not kidding. Having 70k samples per second doesn't mean much if the game doesn't feel right. FYI, I only play with zero aids. Graphics IMO look too cartoon-like cell shaded, rather then ray traced. In car views are the worst of any so-called simulation. The tracks feel flat, which nulifies the simulation aspects; and the lack of real FFB support takes away any "realism" which you are quick to credit. "Learning" how you drive doesn't mean much; unless you want the game to play for you.
Also, ALMS teams practice with it? HA, talk about pure marketing. FIA GT actually developed GTR, GTL, GTR 2, and GTR Evolution, which each are light-years beyond the "realism" and "most advanced" game for the xbox 360 "Forza 2"

Additionally, we are talking about playing the game against humans, or specifically for time trials; which AI doesn't really come into play at all.



You are quite welcome!
30k is an awful lot to spend; refer to the said links to get an ideal range of potential ;)

That is funny seeing as how Forza Motorsport 2 doesn't have in-car views and does have real FFB. Not only does it have real Force Feedback but the Xbox 360 Racing Wheel has 4 different FFB motors. Also racing tracks such as Nurburgring, Road Atlanta and Maple Valley are filled with up and down inclines and far from flat. The ability for the A.I. to learn your driving style and makes the game harder they will even emulate your driving style. Lets say you cut off the A.I. multiple times the A.I. that you did it to will learn how to better protect itself from being cutoff and also learn how to cut you off. They also learn how to use pit maneuvers and how to drive better and faster.
 

nthfinity

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Apr 18, 2006
457
South East MI
That is funny seeing as how Forza Motorsport 2 doesn't have in-car views and does have real FFB. Not only does it have real Force Feedback but the Xbox 360 Racing Wheel has 4 different FFB motors. Also racing tracks such as Nurburgring, Road Atlanta and Maple Valley are filled with up and down inclines and far from flat. The ability for the A.I. to learn your driving style and makes the game harder they will even emulate your driving style. Lets say you cut off the A.I. multiple times the A.I. that you did it to will learn how to better protect itself from being cutoff and also learn how to cut you off. They also learn how to use pit maneuvers and how to drive better and faster.

w/out in car views, such games are terrible. People want to see in the car, look around. The equivilent to the in-car view is too low to the ground, and on the bumper.

Also, MS doesnt allow game makers to make calls to the hardware; there is no ffb api. The force feedback you recieve is emulated on the hardware to simulate what the viberators in the standard controller do; and are totally unrealistic.... no matter how many motors are built in.

Again, you are in a funny world where there is only one player. Most people like to play with other people. Would we like better AI support in the games that are better then Forza? Sure. Does it make or break them? No. Forza's gameplay breaks Forza.
 

skyrex

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Aloha, I bet you didn't realize what a spirited debate you would be responsible for when you started this thread!!! :rofl:lol:rofl

I have never played on-line...don't know why, just never have. I should try it sometime. :cheers

By the way FordGTGuy, your comment about Dead Rising earlier is going to end up being the perfect excuse to push me over the edge into trying an X-Box 360. :thumbsup
 

FordGTGuy

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Norfolk, VA
w/out in car views, such games are terrible. People want to see in the car, look around. The equivilent to the in-car view is too low to the ground, and on the bumper.

Also, MS doesnt allow game makers to make calls to the hardware; there is no ffb api. The force feedback you recieve is emulated on the hardware to simulate what the viberators in the standard controller do; and are totally unrealistic.... no matter how many motors are built in.

Again, you are in a funny world where there is only one player. Most people like to play with other people. Would we like better AI support in the games that are better then Forza? Sure. Does it make or break them? No. Forza's gameplay breaks Forza.

Your confusing Forza Motorsport 1 to Forza Motorsport 2. Forza Motorsport 1 emulated Force Feedback because the Xbox 1 didn't support it however Forza Motorsport 2 and Xbox 360 fully support force feedback. Forza Motorsport 2 is made by Turn 10 who is owned by Microsoft also Epic ended up convincing Microsoft to use 512 MB of ram.

Forza Motorsport 2 includes a single player that takes over 100 hours to beat and I would rather not be stuck with horrible A.I. while playing a 100 hour game. I play online all the time and i've had Xbox Live since it came out and you can also play with computers online so yes it all ends up helping in the end result.

Again your confusing Forza Motorsport 1 with Forza Motorsport 2.

Forza Motorsport 2 has a hood view which in my opinion is more realistic then in-car because most in-car views are set to far back in the car itself. It is nice to have but when it comes to hardcore simulation racing against other people bumper view and hood view actually work out better..

Gran Turismo feels like your driving on ice half the time and if you can even stand the gameplay I don't know how you can stand the tire and engine sounds in that game which are just terrible. Not to mention the lack of damage and the horrible A.I. that is set on a track like a bunch of slot cars.

Aloha, I bet you didn't realize what a spirited debate you would be responsible for when you started this thread!!! :rofl:lol:rofl

I have never played on-line...don't know why, just never have. I should try it sometime. :cheers

By the way FordGTGuy, your comment about Dead Rising earlier is going to end up being the perfect excuse to push me over the edge into trying an X-Box 360. :thumbsup

Dead Rising is great fun you even end up unlocking the mega man gun if you play long enough. Right now I suggest waiting for the price drop but if money isn't much of an issue just buy an Xbox 360 Elite with 120 GB HDD. If you do decide to start going online the extra space will help with High Definition movie rentals and buying High Def Television shows and a new dashboard is coming out in November that will allow you to install your games to your HDD for faster loading times.
 
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AlohaGT

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Aloha, I bet you didn't realize what a spirited debate you would be responsible for when you started this thread!!! :rofl:lol:rofl

I have never played on-line...don't know why, just never have. I should try it sometime. :cheers

By the way FordGTGuy, your comment about Dead Rising earlier is going to end up being the perfect excuse to push me over the edge into trying an X-Box 360. :thumbsup

skyrex, you are mostly right. As previously mentioned, I'm a complete novice when it comes to video games. The sum total of my experience is Pong and Pac Man, a couple decades ago. However, I'm somewhat aware that this is a multi-billion $/Yen business and millions of people are addicted. Putting aside the kids for the moment, I figured so many adults playing these games and dropping some coin must mean something.

I'm very appreciative of all of this info. I enjoy the education and research process. I'm commited to buy, just want to make a good first purchase. The way I see it, it's a bit like the FGT. I conducted a fair amount of research before buying and knew most of the mods I wanted to make. I had these mods done before I even laid my virgin eyes on her. A year later, I'm upgrading the pulley & tune to the Whipple, and other stuff. I figure, maybe next year, the TT.

Same approach here. I'm not ready to pop for the $30k system, just yet. At the same time, I want to dispense with the basic and move up to some level that's quite good. Later - who knows?

I know this isn't everyone's approach but it works for me.

Aloha!
 
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FordGTGuy

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skyrex, you are mostly right. As previously mentioned, I'm a complete novice when it comes to video games. The sum total of my experience is Pong and Pac Man, a couple decades ago. However, I'm somewhat aware that this is a multi-billion $/Yen business and millions of people are addicted. Putting aside the kids for the moment, I figured so many adults playing these games and dropping some coin must mean something.

I'm very appreciative of all of this info. I enjoy the education and research process. I'm commited to buy, just want to make a good first purchase. The way I see it, it's a bit like the FGT. I conducted a fair amount of research before buying and knew most of the mods I wanted to make. I had these mods done before I even laid my virgin eyes on her. A year later, I'm upgrading the pulley & tune to the Whipple, and other stuff. I figure, maybe next year, the TT.

Same approach here. I'm not ready to pop for the $30k system, just yet. At the same time, I want to dispense with the basic and move up to some level that's quite good. Later - who knows?

I know this isn't everyone's approach but it works for me.

Aloha!

Well the gaming industry passed up the movie industry a little while ago and its no wonder seeing as the amount of money one well selling game can make. Look at Halo 3 which made $170,000,000 in a single day and $300,000,000 within the launch week.
 

AlohaGT

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http://www.x6-simulator.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9o-UySxAvU

http://www.force-dynamics.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRdF0wOBi4w

http://www.hexatechracing.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzfcKI_4Jt8

Mid, high, and incredible 6 axis simulators... The only way to simulate the "seat of your pants" feeling :)

A good budget system, the seat will be as still as your floor is (insert the occasional earthquake)

http://www.nextag.com/playseat-evolution/search-html
Which you can attach your FFB steering wheel, pedals, 6 speed gated shifter etc. to.

There are aftermarket additions to the G25 that include metal pedals, and a more robust 6 gear + reverse gated shifter that can be bought.

http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Hardware/1518730.html

However, the shifter is not very robust, on top of not being the most reliable; so I'd recomend an Acts Lab shifter (for pc sims... not sure if they are G25 ps2/3 compatible)
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=852
http://www.act-labs.com/scripts/proddetails.asp?pid=850




Many of those wants are covered by the PC sim GT Legends by Simbin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BYSX4A

Again, there are many mods available from www.nogripracing.com for the GTR series of games


Not kidding. Having 70k samples per second doesn't mean much if the game doesn't feel right. FYI, I only play with zero aids. Graphics IMO look too cartoon-like cell shaded, rather then ray traced. In car views are the worst of any so-called simulation. The tracks feel flat, which nulifies the simulation aspects; and the lack of real FFB support takes away any "realism" which you are quick to credit. "Learning" how you drive doesn't mean much; unless you want the game to play for you.
Also, ALMS teams practice with it? HA, talk about pure marketing. FIA GT actually developed GTR, GTL, GTR 2, and GTR Evolution, which each are light-years beyond the "realism" and "most advanced" game for the xbox 360 "Forza 2"

Additionally, we are talking about playing the game against humans, or specifically for time trials; which AI doesn't really come into play at all.



You are quite welcome!
30k is an awful lot to spend; refer to the said links to get an ideal range of potential ;)

nthfinity, your post was most helpful. I've been conducting a little bit of research. I haven't had a chance to price out the mid-range 6 axis simulators yet but I suspect we're well in the 5 digits. As you've suggested, a basic model might be the Playseat with G25. Do you have any experience with the Buttkicker? A couple of them hooked up through the audio, perhaps.

The ivibe might be an enhancement to the the BK, but not sure.

http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm

A very intriquing upgrade to this basic cockpit seems to be the SimConMotion product by Frex GP. This company appears to have some good stuff. Do you know anything about them?

http://www.frex.com/gp/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u8ogCd8iM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6R7_vM5GRs

Thank you, again, for the education.
 

nthfinity

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Apr 18, 2006
457
South East MI
nthfinity, your post was most helpful. I've been conducting a little bit of research. I haven't had a chance to price out the mid-range 6 axis simulators yet but I suspect we're well in the 5 digits. As you've suggested, a basic model might be the Playseat with G25. Do you have any experience with the Buttkicker? A couple of them hooked up through the audio, perhaps.

The ivibe might be an enhancement to the the BK, but not sure.

http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm

A very intriquing upgrade to this basic cockpit seems to be the SimConMotion product by Frex GP. This company appears to have some good stuff. Do you know anything about them?

http://www.frex.com/gp/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u8ogCd8iM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6R7_vM5GRs

Thank you, again, for the education.

I am no longer the teacher, but the student :cheers Frex make the best sim-gear out there from everything I've read.

My single greatest complaint for a long time was that there was no truly realistic brake setups; but their setup I've used at a friend who takes his sim-setup quite a bit further. I'm just a casual sim racer when I have some free time here and there ;)

The SimConMotion looks quite good, and I'm sure you'd be happy with it ;) I haven't used it myself.

Very nice finds :thumbsup