Another 20 millions cars recalled Takata Airbag
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BlackICE
GT Owner
Same stuff Timothy McVeigh used, fertilizer and kerosene.
Takata has said it continues to use ammonium nitrate in its replacement airbags.
But, why should we expect them to be any better?
But the engineering team in the Moses Lake plant raised objections to basing a propellant on such a risky compound. To bolster its case, the team pointed to explosives manuals warning that the compound “tended to disintegrate on storage under widely varying temperature conditions” with “irregular ballistic” consequences, Mr. Lillie said.
Ammonium nitrate cycles through five solid states. As the vehicle goes from receiving the heat of sunshine to the cold overnight, the temperature swing is large enough for the ammonium nitrate to change from one phase to another, experts say. Ammonium nitrate also absorbs moisture from the atmosphere readily. Those two things together make ammonium nitrate tablets prone to damage, experts say.
A focus in the mushrooming recalls has been that the airbags are more susceptible to malfunction in high humidity areas.
“Speaking generally, ammonium nitrate can be unstable. Its crystal structure can change according to temperature,” said Katsumi Kato, an assistant professor in safety engineering at Japan’s Fukuoka University. “It changes the burn rate. It leads to various malfunctions.”
Other airbag makers have said they stayed away from the explosive compound.
Takata has said it continues to use ammonium nitrate in its replacement airbags.
But, why should we expect them to be any better?
But the engineering team in the Moses Lake plant raised objections to basing a propellant on such a risky compound. To bolster its case, the team pointed to explosives manuals warning that the compound “tended to disintegrate on storage under widely varying temperature conditions” with “irregular ballistic” consequences, Mr. Lillie said.
Ammonium nitrate cycles through five solid states. As the vehicle goes from receiving the heat of sunshine to the cold overnight, the temperature swing is large enough for the ammonium nitrate to change from one phase to another, experts say. Ammonium nitrate also absorbs moisture from the atmosphere readily. Those two things together make ammonium nitrate tablets prone to damage, experts say.
A focus in the mushrooming recalls has been that the airbags are more susceptible to malfunction in high humidity areas.
“Speaking generally, ammonium nitrate can be unstable. Its crystal structure can change according to temperature,” said Katsumi Kato, an assistant professor in safety engineering at Japan’s Fukuoka University. “It changes the burn rate. It leads to various malfunctions.”
Other airbag makers have said they stayed away from the explosive compound.
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I'll say it again, they should lock up these clowns PERIOD-
Trying to find a So. Cal dealer that will "honor" Ford Customer Satisfaction Program 14B09 (send Ford tech to owner's home for replacement), but if the replacement propellant in the inflator is also Ammonium Nitrate (NH4NO3), what are doing ?
Trying to find a So. Cal dealer that will "honor" Ford Customer Satisfaction Program 14B09 (send Ford tech to owner's home for replacement), but if the replacement propellant in the inflator is also Ammonium Nitrate (NH4NO3), what are doing ?
2112
Blue/white 06'
I thought someone posted a bulletin from Ford that said this recall taking place now was an interim solution and a permanent answer has yet to be developed.
PL510*Jeff
Well-known member
I checked this with my Ford dealer yesterday for my February 2006 GT being added to the recall. And the answer was yes. Drivers side.
However no replacement units available at this time. An official letter will be sent when the solution is finalized.
However no replacement units available at this time. An official letter will be sent when the solution is finalized.
BlackICE
GT Owner
Why not the passenger side as well? Is it because the parts are in short supply and the driver side is more at risk, thus a higher priority.
2112
Blue/white 06'
Joehand1
Tungsten GT Owner
TO AWSUM
Ford GT Owner
I just received my 2nd safety recall on the same bag for my Dodge RAM 2500 on 24 Jun 2015. Even though I had both bags replaced on the RAM a few months ago, I got a 2nd notice and called the dealer thinking it was a mistake since I already had the bags replaced. Was told this was indeed a replacement for the replacement and was put on a waiting list for another bag replacement.
Just received my second driver airbag inflator housing recall. Safety Recall Notice 15S21/NHTSA Recall 15V-319. Oh joy. My favorite thing to do. Take the GT to my local Ford dealer. :bored
Actually the guys at Santa Monica Ford and Galpin Ford, where I've taken the GT in the past, have always done a fine job. Just always makes me nervous to leave the car at a dealership. I have learned how to change all fluids myself and I know Kendall and Ryan treat it with kit gloves when they have had it for service and upgrades.
PL510*Jeff
Well-known member
Mine came in the mail today. Drivers side only. From what I was told prior, passenger a/b replacement is based upon owners State of residence.
I paid to have passenger side replaced last summer.Not cheap to buy one of these. Corrosion was very extreme. Claim rejected by Ford only due to my residency in Washington State. No other reason given. Service manager went "up" 3 levels, in my behalf, but that effort was not successful.
To state the obvious..I was not, and am still not, a happy camper in this matter.
BlackICE
GT Owner
I just got a recall for the driver's side air bag only. Both of my air bags are originals. :ack
I take it that the new ones are not the final solution in that they also have probably the same defect using the same type of propellent.
I take it that the new ones are not the final solution in that they also have probably the same defect using the same type of propellent.
twobjshelbys
GT Owner
I got my parts available letter today. Vegas. Ford dealer network owner says Gaudin in Enterprise.
PeteK
GT Owner
Got my recall notice yesterday too. Driver's side only. The notice says, "This is a permanent repair for your vehicle and must be performed even if you had an airbag inflator previously replaced as an interim repair." Not happy that the pax side will not be replaced, or was it supplied by a different manufacturer?
GEE-TEE
GT Owner
I just got the letter too for Driver side. Strangely enough I had mine replaced at the dealership last year or two when I had the original recall. Is this just an automated letter or do I need to go back and have the replacement replaced again???
PL510*Jeff
Well-known member
GEE-TEE
GT Owner
Thanks for quick reply Jeff and Kevin. I guess I will call and schedule while the parts are available, Strangely enough I only need to do the drivers side!!! 
BTW, lets plan a local socal drive this summer.
BTW, lets plan a local socal drive this summer.
THamonGT
GT
Let dealer run your VIN to see which recall is needed, he has to order the parts for your VIN anyway.