Alignment front caster question


MNJason

GT Owner
May 14, 2010
2,097
San Diego
Had my alignment worked on today. We could only do so much without the OEM shims I need, but really just wanted to check the current status.

The only thing we could not resolve was front caster. I am out of spec by .5 degrees.

I need someone smarter than myself to help explain if this is a problem. I have NO shims in front right now and I would need to remove shims to decrease the caster (or do something in back) so not sure what else to do?

My car is lowered 1" on T&A perches.
 

freeflyer

GT Owner/ Forum Sponsor
Mark IV Lifetime
Jan 12, 2007
180
Montana
In what direction?
 

HIRISC

GT Owner
Mark II Lifetime
Mar 14, 2007
259
Minneapolis, MN
I doubt it's a problem (ie something you'd notice).

FYI - Caster spec is +4.7deg +5.3deg
 

MNJason

GT Owner
May 14, 2010
2,097
San Diego
Caster spec is +4.7deg +5.3deg

I am 5.7 on the drivers and 5.9 on the passenger.
 

ultrasportracing

GT Owner
Aug 31, 2011
492
Perth Western Australia
That will only make the steering a little heavier and prob give you a little more camber in turns. Normally camber is measured in the straight ahead position, but adding more caster give you more -camber when turning. It can get quite complicated.. The Castor measured is the amount of castor change from normally 20deg left turn throught to 20deg right turn. There are some very good books on suspension if you are interested in knowing what changes effect others.
 

cobra498

GT Owner
Jul 14, 2010
310
Central Ca;ifornia
Caster is your friend, it will help remove some of the built in understeer
 

sahlman

Ford GT Team Alumni
Jul 21, 2011
329
Verona, WI
FGT Caster Adjustment

Jason,
Understood on your caster and lack of shims at the front lower pivot. Lowering the car 1” at the front should have increased caster just under 0.5 deg. So between manufacturing tolerance and lowering the car your static caster makes sense. I don’t think this should be too significant and there is not much you can easily do to adjust it with the lowered car. You are just at a new point on the kinematics curve with the lower car. You may be able to adjust the caster back with shims at the upper arm, but I am not sure you will have the adjustment there depending on shims and camber. You could also shim the other 3 pick up points (Both uppers and rear lower) out to achieve the caster, effectively increasing track and reducing fender clearance causing another possible problem. Probably not worth it.

Pros and Cons
Like almost everything, you rarely get something for nothing. There are some pros and cons of having more caster than stock. (Yours is reasonable though, the following is more for guys to think about as cars are modified.) One potential pro the guys mentioned was a little more camber with steer angle, however, this will be very small even at high steer angles and actually may be negated by the fact that the caster trail has increased a little as well. Caster trail is the effective fore-aft lever arm distance from the imaginary caster intersection with ground and the fore-aft distance to the wheel center on the ground. This is 28.5 mm stock on the FGT and it looks like just over 34 mm on your left front.

More caster will give you a little more straight line stability on a smooth road. However, more caster can also give you more wheel fight on bumpy or truck rutted roads. Have you noticed a difference in wheel fight or truck rut following since before the car was lowered? However, increased static camber with lowering would also make these worse and likely a bigger factor depending on your static camber settings.

In addition, increasing caster increases caster trail as noted, which will tend to reduce the change in steering torque felt as you approach the limit. Therefore, higher caster trail typically means it is a little harder to sense the limit in the steering wheel torque. This is something to worry about on higher caster changes (+1 deg or more), but I think you should be OK at your current settings.
I can give you more detail on this geometry and kinematics stuff if you would like.

Scott
 

MNJason

GT Owner
May 14, 2010
2,097
San Diego
Thanks Scott!
 

2112

Blue/white 06'
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Scott the the Rescue again.

Man are we lucky to have such members here on the board. :thumbsup
 

sahlman

Ford GT Team Alumni
Jul 21, 2011
329
Verona, WI
Glad to help guys.