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[cobrar1339]

Correction Noted: The list was done awhile back and the Ultima had no data from the magazine's I pull the info from. Clearly better than honorable mention.

I still like how our humble UAW built GT compares with the worlds best and fastest. We are the builders of the next model years. With over 1,000 hp potential.

We shouldn't have to compare stock to stock, as the others are evolving. Carl, Perhaps the Edmunds group can set the reacord straight by testing the P/T , Whipple and TT cars for future comparisons.

Would the 08 GT model year (had it been built)be rated at 700hp with a Ford Racing P/T and wearing Scuderia's. Stomping the 08 Viper into submission.

Would the 2009 GT MKV have a Whipple and be rated at 820HP and making the ZR1 cry for mercy.

How about the 2009 GTR version at 820 HP down 200lbs and PSC tires , Penske's, Wider PSC tires up front, functional brake ducting, trans cooler, Matech Wing.

Pick your Poison.


Ultimate Areo 2.33
CCX 3.24
Ultima GTR 3.40
Ed Sims Whipple GT 4.09 Assumed 700 rwhp, 4.15 with 8 gals fuel
McLaren F1 4.33
GT with Pulley / Tune 611 Rwhp 4.89
Enzo 5.0
Carrera GT 5.39
Stock GT based on a real 600 hp ( not rated 550) 5.66
08 Viper 5.75
Stock Ford GT 6.18 based on a known under rated 550hp
C6 Z06 6.33
Lambo 6.41
GT3 RS 7.74

 

[BlackICE]

And please don't forget the Ultima GTR. I'm planning on swinging by the factory next month in preparation for placing an order. Unless one of you wise people can talk me out of it (no, I'm not trading the GT).
So, about 2,200 lbs dry. LS7 with 650 HP (my likely choice).
That's about 3.4 ptw - if I've got my math right.

I was thinking about building one before I bought the GT. Are you planning to make it street legal in CA? That is more of a challenge.

 

[t32b]

Yes, I plan on making it a street driver. There are examples in CA (from memory) demonstrating precedent. But I don't yet know exactly what has to be done. The factory folks have some data that can help, but I also plan to consult with those who have succeeded. In fact, I can send a photo of one (the only GTR I've ever seen in the fiber-flesh) that had a standard set of plates. Was near your and my place - on Woodside road.
Separately, but related, I'm hoping to use this as a testbed for a number of nascent geek projects - integrated cameras replacing mirrors, HUD, etc. so it will be half super car and half science project.
Can't wait. I'll report back (in case anyone's interested) after the factory trip. BTW, I'm leaning toward the Can-Am (Spyder), rather than the coupe. Any advice will be welcomed.

I was thinking about building one before I bought the GT. Are you planning to make it street legal in CA? That is more of a challenge.

 

[B O N Y]

Just be sure to understand how hard it is to get licensed... get thread on that on the GT40Forum.

 

[BlackICE]

Just be sure to understand how hard it is to get licensed... get thread on that on the GT40Forum.

+100!

You have to be the 1st of 500 each year and are at the mercy of a DMV bureaucrat!

 

[STUNTS]

Just be sure to understand how hard it is to get licensed... get thread on that on the GT40Forum.

Listen to Bony on this one....
truly better off buying one already registered and then doing what you want to it.... a complete resto is the same as a build.... (well kinda) but at least you don't have to deal with the headaches of that sb100 law.....:frown

 

[S592R]

A question guys. If a guy owns a place in say Nevada (condo) but his main residence is in Cali. If he built the car and had it tagged in Nevada wouldn't California have to give him a new title and tag when he moved it from his place in Nevada to his home in California?

purely educational question here.

 

[t32b]

Pinning the geek-meter, eh? Sorry...

t32, I think we need to place you in the same thread as IndyGT and MAD in NC.

 

[t32b]

Thanks for the advice here. Clearly, I need to flip a lot more rocks...

Listen to Bony on this one....
truly better off buying one already registered and then doing what you want to it.... a complete resto is the same as a build.... (well kinda) but at least you don't have to deal with the headaches of that sb100 law.....:frown

 

[t32b]

Is this possible? Simpler?

You're comments about the CA DMG have really put a damper on the excitement on this project. Just a wacky question. I own a timeshare on HA. Could I possibly register it there? And then drive it in CA, or re-register it in CA after it being registered in CA?
Sadly,
t32b

+100!

You have to be the 1st of 500 each year and are at the mercy of a DMV bureaucrat!

 

[B O N Y]

Go to the DMV web site and the CHP and take a look at the special 'drop the dime' on cheaters that you know about button.

Let me make this short and sweet and cut out the bull shit! Be prepared to have your credit card statements and checking account statements with you when you want to prove to the DMV in California that you are really a resident of Neveda, Hawaii, or Oregon.

Sadly, I know more about this from the school of hard knocks. You are playing with fire. Don't use the excuse that you bought a car that was improperly licensed and you didn't know, they will pull your plates in a New York second.

But, then what do I know?

 

[mousecatcher]

i know several folks who have licensed kit cars (incl. disassembled, imported then reassembled; ie not truly a kit). didn't seem like that big a deal.

as far as moving an out of state registration to CA, you don't really need to prove residency. i couldn't find the page you are talking about, but i would guess it's more about CA residents with cars illegally registered out of state (say Oregon) for whatever reason. if you have a residence out of state (like i do) then you are able to legitimately register a car there (like i do). EDIT: a timeshare is almost certainly not a legitimate residence.

now whether or not you can bring it in is probably still subject to CA rules. eg, i hear in Montana you can have a car with a roll cage. when you go through DMV inspection they will not allow that car in. since it's state by state they do not HAVE TO allow you to register the car even though it is legally registered out of state. it's also not going to give you a way to sneak into the 500 car annual exception, you'll have to do that "the hard way".

 

[t32b]

OK, the HA thing was a flyer. Bad idea.
Separately, there are opinions all over the map here. Any chance there are 'services' who can assist in this kind of stuff? I don't want to cut corners, or bend/break any rules here. Just want to be able to get it done.
Sigh.

i know several folks who have licensed kit cars (incl. disassembled, imported then reassembled; ie not truly a kit). didn't seem like that big a deal.

as far as moving an out of state registration to CA, you don't really need to prove residency. i couldn't find the page you are talking about, but i would guess it's more about CA residents with cars illegally registered out of state (say Oregon) for whatever reason. if you have a residence out of state (like i do) then you are able to legitimately register a car there (like i do). EDIT: a timeshare is almost certainly not a legitimate residence.

now whether or not you can bring it in is probably still subject to CA rules. eg, i hear in Montana you can have a car with a roll cage. when you go through DMV inspection they will not allow that car in. since it's state by state they do not HAVE TO allow you to register the car even though it is legally registered out of state. it's also not going to give you a way to sneak into the 500 car annual exception, you'll have to do that "the hard way".

 

[mousecatcher]

Any advice will be welcomed.

I've been thinking about a factory five GTM. I might visit them next month to check it out. I understand that the weak point of those cars is that the porsche transaxle that the chassis is spec'd for is junk.

Note that it's not just about power-to-weight, it's also about weight. Less weight is always better for performance. Also, when you get into the high PTW cars you really have to worry about stability at high speeds. e.g. my opinion the 1000HP GTs aren't worth it. 750 is about right it seems.

For kit cars, my question to the manufacturer would be how much downforce is generated at some XXX MPH. If they don't even know, stay away. Factory Five sends a red flag to me when on their website they say they haven't measured how loud it is in the cabin but it's "streetable". DUH. How hard is it to measure how loud it is??!? Still I want to check it out.

 

[B O N Y]

The last tittle company, was Tittles Unlimited.
The owner was sentenced to a year in jail.

Go to the kit car sites such as GT40Forum, clubcobra and do some reading.

People seeing sb100 numbers are doing so illegally.

Remember they arrested Boyd Coddington, may he rip.

Your a resident where you spend the majority of your time.

If you feel luck go for one of the 500 sb100 numbers.

I had the plates called back from my Shelby Series One when Carb pulled the number away from Shelby. Sold my $130k
Car at auction for $85k net,....


Good luck!

 

[BlackICE]

The biggest challenge is being one of the lucky 500 on the 1st business day in January. No assurances that it will happen. Many people make appointments and camp outside a DMV office long before it opens to try to get one of the numbers. How many DMV offices in CA? Now once you get to see an DMW person you will have to show paperwork and receipts showing where, what, when and price of the parts you purchased for your car. If that passes the DMV clerk's scrutiny they call the main office in Sac. to get you one of the 500 numbers. Remember 1st come, 1st serve, from any DMV office in the state. Now the DMV clerk may say your paperwork is lacking and may ask you to correct it and then come back to again. By the time you wait in line again all 500 number may be taken. Well, don't worry, wait until next year and try again. If you are lucky enough to get one of the 500 numbers, then you still must pass CHP inspections. The whole process turns me off. I never like to enter into a transaction where my best interest are at the mercy of a government bureaucrat! The last time I did that was for a home remodel and that cost me a lot more time and money than I 1st thought! Well there is always "Hope and Change."

Read this:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns.htm

Good luck you will need it!

 

[mousecatcher]

I had the plates called back from my Shelby Series One when Carb pulled the number away from Shelby. Sold my $130k
Car at auction for $85k net,....

ouch!!

 

[mousecatcher]

OK, the HA thing was a flyer. Bad idea.
Separately, there are opinions all over the map here. Any chance there are 'services' who can assist in this kind of stuff? I don't want to cut corners, or bend/break any rules here. Just want to be able to get it done.
Sigh.

I might be able to provide service to you. (I would have to talk to some folks I know who are in this kind of business.) PM me.

 

[mousecatcher]

Your a resident where you spend the majority of your time.

Yes, but you don't need to be a resident to have an out of state registration. That is, you can register cars out of state as a non-resident under certain guidelines. These cars can legally be driven in CA also under certain guidelines. Obviously you can't just register out of state then keep and use the car primarily in CA. If you have neighbors or if the car is remarkable in some way you are going to be busted.

 

[B O N Y]

i
as far as moving an out of state registration to CA, you don't really need to prove residency. i couldn't find the page you are talking about, but i would guess it's more about CA residents with cars illegally registered out of state (say Oregon) for whatever reason. if you have a residence out of state (like i do) then you are able to legitimately register a car there (like i do). EDIT: a timeshare is almost certainly not a legitimate residence.
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First, I don't want to appear combative, just want to pass on correct information.

California does not care of another state will license a car as for example a 1965 Cobra or a 1932 Ford. Bringing in a kit car, homebuilt, whatever you choose to call it falls under the special construction rules and you start from scratch.

Even when you buy a new car, like I did with my Ford GT from another state it had to go and get another smog check.

I brought in my gray market Porsche 930 which I DOT'd and licensed in Illinois and I had to go to the referee with all the DOT paperwork and he rechecked everything, then to CHP who put their own VIN number on it and then finally got the car licensed. If I had lost the DOT paperwork I would have been screwed.

Better know your stuff, read BLACK ICE's comments, he is spot on.