Added wings - Still can't get off the ground!
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I bet you could not open the doors at 170. but it does solve alot of entry and exit problems. How smooth is the hinge assembley and how tight is the seal when the door is latched? How timely were they with the mods?
Thanks for Sharring the pics. Count me in for a southern california group buy.
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- Aug 25, 2006
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Well probably like many of you I remain so busy that a huge block of time can pass without me taking the time to exercise one of my gals however even when not being exercised I still enjoy the process of tinkering with them; often times to the extreme.
So all of this leads up to the fact that through the numerous projects that I undertake there are those items that I quickly share and those that I simply learn from however if asked I will always share the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Now as for the GTB doors; first of all I hate the term butterfly doors as it sounds like she is a frail dainty piece which of course she is not; she is a fricken beast with the heart of a lion.
When Yogi initially posted pictures of the completed hinges I openly shared that they were the real deal and as such immediately made arrangements for the designer and engineer of the system; Bernard, to fly out to my facility while The GT Guys were here. There were a couple reasons for this with two of the keys being as follows;
1. I wanted someone intimately knowledgeable of the gal during the process so that assessments could be made during the conversion process; aka The GT Guys
2. After chatting with Rich and Denis aka The GT Guys we agreed that if the system was viable then it should be a service that they provide as such learning the installation procedures from the engineer and designer of the system made perfect sense.
I am not prepared to ramble or even get into detail over what at times was a bit of an emotional rollercoaster as I so often do nevertheless there are some significant issues worthy of sharing which I think will lay to rest many questions and concerns.
First of all I worked directly with Bernard on two separate occasions and he is truly an old school craftsman that cares and on this issue I can not emphasis it enough; meaning he initially flew out and we (The GT Guys and myself) spent several days working together and then a few weeks later he flew back out and again we spent several more days working together during which time we got to know each other fairly well..
Now in addition to Bernard the person that is the ultimate “Puppet Master” behind this project is Mark and even though it took Mark and I a little time to get to know each other or maybe better put; it took a bit of time before we learned how to communicate well with each other nevertheless throughout this learning curve Mark remained supportive of the ongoing development process openly sharing that he truly wanted the best possible GTB system.
Now when Bernard left the first time we had the GTB system installed however there were IMO and the opinion of The GT Guys numerous issues that needed to be tended to (most minor) before I (we; and yet I hate to speak for them) would have consider the conversion of a scope and caliber consistent with these gals. At this point I must share that Bernard not only agreed with the assessments during the initial installation process but more importantly he took what we had learned together and went back to Genaddi to begin implementing these changes. When Bernard arrived back at my facility the second time he arrived with a pair of hinges affectionately marked “Shadowman’s Special Hinges” to which I smiled and then Bernard methodically shared the numerous changes that had been made, each and every one consistent with that which we learned and discussed when he was in my facility the first time thus “SIGNIFICANTLY” improving the system. We installed the redesigned hinges and even during this process we made a few more tweaks as such Bernard then took with him a few more minor tweaks to consider implementing. As the result of this project cycle when all was said and done the GTB system IMO is befitting of these gals.
At this point I should share that when Bernard first arrived and we installed the hinges I was fricken committed (or should have been); hook line and sinker because I enjoyed the way the gal looked with her fricken doors up however before I would make any mention of this system on this forum; whether supportive or otherwise I needed to see the project and the related processes to term even if in the end it had meant that I would take that which had originally arrived with Bernard and twisted and tweaked it on my own until satisfied. Let is be known as mentioned above that this was not to be the case because Bernard with Mark’s blessing openly and anxiously worked with me through each and every detail. I shared with Mark from day one that I bring a new meaning to the word “anal” and whereas many will find comfort working within various shades of gray; I work within the world of black and white.
Now I understand VERY well that some will feel it is blasphemy to alter such a gal to which I respectfully acknowledge and accept their opinion but in the end it is just that an opinion based on emotions and has no basis in fact. The fact is that these gals are FRICKEN awesome and certainly a depiction of days gone past however they are not a reproduction of the gals from the past. I personally think that the GTB doors add a cool character to her in much the same way as the Gurney bubble (now I understand that at least one Forum has member both the doors and the bubble) and then add to this the ability to migrate in and out of the gals is simply perfect with the GTB doors. Minimal side space required; plop your backside on the seat; pull your legs in, pull the door down and close it as if OEM.. There is “No” special thought or process required.
Alright I shared that I would not ramble and hopefully I did not however I did not say that I would not write a long reply.
So to the questions that I have been asked and read in this thread here are my answers based on real time experience installing the system, operating the system, and FINALLY driving my gal with the GTB system;
1. The installation of the system is not able to be completed with basic hand tools on a Saturday afternoon; in order to mitigate the risk of damage during the process it needs to be approached methodically and completed by a person that IMO fully understands not only the system but also the gals and their nuances, and IMO an equally important component of this conversion is that the person completing it NEEDS to be committed to/passionate about these gals; not simply a knowledgeable person that sees the GTB conversion process as a service vehicle through which dollars change hands. This process from start to finish having been through it twice is a 2 day job and maybe even a third if anything outside of the proverbial box crops up. Keep in mind that as similar as these gals are they are all slightly different because even through they when born on an assembly line they remained hand built throughout this process so subtle in fact sometimes significant differences can be found throughout them. Now I would not call the GTB conversion a hard process but rather simply time consuming.
2. Once installed the doors open and close in a controlled manner as if OEM. I can share that initially for me the process seemed awkward or at the very least different but this was my mind and hands fighting each other however if you simply open or close the door without thinking about it the process is very natural and quickly becomes automatic.
3. There is NO secondary wind or air noise as the result of the GTB system. FYI; the final moment that the door is closing remains as if OEM as such all OEM seals are intact and function as OEM.
4. It is my opinion that the long term serving of the system should remain minimal at best. Light grease on the track annually and should a gas strut fail they are easy to purchase either through Genaddi, the manufacturer in Germany, or the US distributor; it is NOT a Genaddi exclusive. Now I should also share that the system uses 4 gas filled struts; two on each side joined together in the middle so IF one failed I do not feel that it was be catastrophic but rather a minor inconvenience.
5. The door hinge system uses OEM Ford GT bushing as such if one were to wear out it is an easy item to acquire and replace. Now add to this the design of the GTB system is such that the weight related wear and tear on a hinge; specifically when compared to the OEM design will be significantly less because unlike the OEM system that extends the door WAY out and then loads the A pillar hinges and the associated OEM bushings the GTB system never transfers the weight out thus loading the bushing as such I would call them stabilizer and a very low wear item.
6. The motion of opening in the door in the quietest of areas will allow you to hear the stainless steel ball traveling in the track; this is minor however if outside such as stopped for fuel and you open the door and close the door the white noise all around you will make hearing the track operation next to impossible.
7. I would rate the system high on the cool factor, I feel that the system is mechanically sound, I feel that if installed properly will appear to all but the knowing as if OEM, I do not feel that the system diminishes but rather adds character to the gals (subjectively speaking) and lastly I feel that most will feel more comfortable parking and then getting in and out of the gals with this system in place.
8. And the last comment that I have heard from many is; what about the long term value of the gal after doing a conversion such as the GTB doors. Initially I share that a conversion done well; meaning with an approach and methodology equal to or better than OEM will always be recognized hence the reason I worked so hard with Bernard on this system even if only for my gal and yet I am very happy that changes were adopted for all of the systems. And then I would respond by sharing that I lived through the hay day of the gray market and USA spec’d Exotic’s and experienced a significant financial upside during a rather short period of time when far too many folks owned the gals simply because they were told it was financially prudent and then in the end most lost rather than made money and a like number never enjoyed the gals. I am too old to think about 20 years from now furthermore there is no guarantee that in 20 years an OEM never been touched gal will be worth anything and even more important there is NO guarantee that I will be here tomorrow much less 20 years from now as such I think that it is far better to live today and in the end; who knows maybe Shadowman’s fully twisted and tweaked GT will be the one that set the all time sales record.
In closing; I have absolutely no regrets installing the GTB system on my gal and also being able to participate in the GTB system’s evolution. My only comment to Bernard was that in the hinge casting where it has Genaddi’s logo and Bernard’s development company’s name cast into place it should also say “Shadowman”
Takes care
Shadowman
So all of this leads up to the fact that through the numerous projects that I undertake there are those items that I quickly share and those that I simply learn from however if asked I will always share the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Now as for the GTB doors; first of all I hate the term butterfly doors as it sounds like she is a frail dainty piece which of course she is not; she is a fricken beast with the heart of a lion.
When Yogi initially posted pictures of the completed hinges I openly shared that they were the real deal and as such immediately made arrangements for the designer and engineer of the system; Bernard, to fly out to my facility while The GT Guys were here. There were a couple reasons for this with two of the keys being as follows;
1. I wanted someone intimately knowledgeable of the gal during the process so that assessments could be made during the conversion process; aka The GT Guys
2. After chatting with Rich and Denis aka The GT Guys we agreed that if the system was viable then it should be a service that they provide as such learning the installation procedures from the engineer and designer of the system made perfect sense.
I am not prepared to ramble or even get into detail over what at times was a bit of an emotional rollercoaster as I so often do nevertheless there are some significant issues worthy of sharing which I think will lay to rest many questions and concerns.
First of all I worked directly with Bernard on two separate occasions and he is truly an old school craftsman that cares and on this issue I can not emphasis it enough; meaning he initially flew out and we (The GT Guys and myself) spent several days working together and then a few weeks later he flew back out and again we spent several more days working together during which time we got to know each other fairly well..
Now in addition to Bernard the person that is the ultimate “Puppet Master” behind this project is Mark and even though it took Mark and I a little time to get to know each other or maybe better put; it took a bit of time before we learned how to communicate well with each other nevertheless throughout this learning curve Mark remained supportive of the ongoing development process openly sharing that he truly wanted the best possible GTB system.
Now when Bernard left the first time we had the GTB system installed however there were IMO and the opinion of The GT Guys numerous issues that needed to be tended to (most minor) before I (we; and yet I hate to speak for them) would have consider the conversion of a scope and caliber consistent with these gals. At this point I must share that Bernard not only agreed with the assessments during the initial installation process but more importantly he took what we had learned together and went back to Genaddi to begin implementing these changes. When Bernard arrived back at my facility the second time he arrived with a pair of hinges affectionately marked “Shadowman’s Special Hinges” to which I smiled and then Bernard methodically shared the numerous changes that had been made, each and every one consistent with that which we learned and discussed when he was in my facility the first time thus “SIGNIFICANTLY” improving the system. We installed the redesigned hinges and even during this process we made a few more tweaks as such Bernard then took with him a few more minor tweaks to consider implementing. As the result of this project cycle when all was said and done the GTB system IMO is befitting of these gals.
At this point I should share that when Bernard first arrived and we installed the hinges I was fricken committed (or should have been); hook line and sinker because I enjoyed the way the gal looked with her fricken doors up however before I would make any mention of this system on this forum; whether supportive or otherwise I needed to see the project and the related processes to term even if in the end it had meant that I would take that which had originally arrived with Bernard and twisted and tweaked it on my own until satisfied. Let is be known as mentioned above that this was not to be the case because Bernard with Mark’s blessing openly and anxiously worked with me through each and every detail. I shared with Mark from day one that I bring a new meaning to the word “anal” and whereas many will find comfort working within various shades of gray; I work within the world of black and white.
Now I understand VERY well that some will feel it is blasphemy to alter such a gal to which I respectfully acknowledge and accept their opinion but in the end it is just that an opinion based on emotions and has no basis in fact. The fact is that these gals are FRICKEN awesome and certainly a depiction of days gone past however they are not a reproduction of the gals from the past. I personally think that the GTB doors add a cool character to her in much the same way as the Gurney bubble (now I understand that at least one Forum has member both the doors and the bubble) and then add to this the ability to migrate in and out of the gals is simply perfect with the GTB doors. Minimal side space required; plop your backside on the seat; pull your legs in, pull the door down and close it as if OEM.. There is “No” special thought or process required.
Alright I shared that I would not ramble and hopefully I did not however I did not say that I would not write a long reply.
So to the questions that I have been asked and read in this thread here are my answers based on real time experience installing the system, operating the system, and FINALLY driving my gal with the GTB system;
1. The installation of the system is not able to be completed with basic hand tools on a Saturday afternoon; in order to mitigate the risk of damage during the process it needs to be approached methodically and completed by a person that IMO fully understands not only the system but also the gals and their nuances, and IMO an equally important component of this conversion is that the person completing it NEEDS to be committed to/passionate about these gals; not simply a knowledgeable person that sees the GTB conversion process as a service vehicle through which dollars change hands. This process from start to finish having been through it twice is a 2 day job and maybe even a third if anything outside of the proverbial box crops up. Keep in mind that as similar as these gals are they are all slightly different because even through they when born on an assembly line they remained hand built throughout this process so subtle in fact sometimes significant differences can be found throughout them. Now I would not call the GTB conversion a hard process but rather simply time consuming.
2. Once installed the doors open and close in a controlled manner as if OEM. I can share that initially for me the process seemed awkward or at the very least different but this was my mind and hands fighting each other however if you simply open or close the door without thinking about it the process is very natural and quickly becomes automatic.
3. There is NO secondary wind or air noise as the result of the GTB system. FYI; the final moment that the door is closing remains as if OEM as such all OEM seals are intact and function as OEM.
4. It is my opinion that the long term serving of the system should remain minimal at best. Light grease on the track annually and should a gas strut fail they are easy to purchase either through Genaddi, the manufacturer in Germany, or the US distributor; it is NOT a Genaddi exclusive. Now I should also share that the system uses 4 gas filled struts; two on each side joined together in the middle so IF one failed I do not feel that it was be catastrophic but rather a minor inconvenience.
5. The door hinge system uses OEM Ford GT bushing as such if one were to wear out it is an easy item to acquire and replace. Now add to this the design of the GTB system is such that the weight related wear and tear on a hinge; specifically when compared to the OEM design will be significantly less because unlike the OEM system that extends the door WAY out and then loads the A pillar hinges and the associated OEM bushings the GTB system never transfers the weight out thus loading the bushing as such I would call them stabilizer and a very low wear item.
6. The motion of opening in the door in the quietest of areas will allow you to hear the stainless steel ball traveling in the track; this is minor however if outside such as stopped for fuel and you open the door and close the door the white noise all around you will make hearing the track operation next to impossible.
7. I would rate the system high on the cool factor, I feel that the system is mechanically sound, I feel that if installed properly will appear to all but the knowing as if OEM, I do not feel that the system diminishes but rather adds character to the gals (subjectively speaking) and lastly I feel that most will feel more comfortable parking and then getting in and out of the gals with this system in place.
8. And the last comment that I have heard from many is; what about the long term value of the gal after doing a conversion such as the GTB doors. Initially I share that a conversion done well; meaning with an approach and methodology equal to or better than OEM will always be recognized hence the reason I worked so hard with Bernard on this system even if only for my gal and yet I am very happy that changes were adopted for all of the systems. And then I would respond by sharing that I lived through the hay day of the gray market and USA spec’d Exotic’s and experienced a significant financial upside during a rather short period of time when far too many folks owned the gals simply because they were told it was financially prudent and then in the end most lost rather than made money and a like number never enjoyed the gals. I am too old to think about 20 years from now furthermore there is no guarantee that in 20 years an OEM never been touched gal will be worth anything and even more important there is NO guarantee that I will be here tomorrow much less 20 years from now as such I think that it is far better to live today and in the end; who knows maybe Shadowman’s fully twisted and tweaked GT will be the one that set the all time sales record.
In closing; I have absolutely no regrets installing the GTB system on my gal and also being able to participate in the GTB system’s evolution. My only comment to Bernard was that in the hinge casting where it has Genaddi’s logo and Bernard’s development company’s name cast into place it should also say “Shadowman”
Takes care
Shadowman
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B O N Y
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Shadowman, great review, I am interested in more information, obviously in the Shadow-version only of the hinges. Since I live dead in the middle of the state, I would be open to a quote of the install at Area 51...
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tpraceman
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Shadow you will live to be a 100 and still be driving the GT but the power will come from a flux capacitor.
I wish Bernard would post a group buy price and then figure out the travel thing so you lucky California boys can split that up.
For me I live in good old Michigan where one can use a hand for a road map.
Because Shadow and I share the same color combo I think we could start a rumor that the black & silver GT's were special with "Eagle Wings" and only a few were know to exsist. When were dead and gone someone will be selling the rare finds at a Barrett Jr auction. Honestly who knows what the market will be when fuel is outlawed to run the Gal's only the Shadow knows.......
Had to say it just had to.
And Jerry, very nice and the main entrance to your home is Ausum as well as the GT-B Eagle (wing)
I wish Bernard would post a group buy price and then figure out the travel thing so you lucky California boys can split that up.
For me I live in good old Michigan where one can use a hand for a road map.
Because Shadow and I share the same color combo I think we could start a rumor that the black & silver GT's were special with "Eagle Wings" and only a few were know to exsist. When were dead and gone someone will be selling the rare finds at a Barrett Jr auction. Honestly who knows what the market will be when fuel is outlawed to run the Gal's only the Shadow knows.......
Had to say it just had to.
And Jerry, very nice and the main entrance to your home is Ausum as well as the GT-B Eagle (wing)
Mr. Genaddi
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:willy In closing Shadowman is right, if all the men and women’s names could be listed that helped to win the war instead of just the Generals and Captains it would give a true picture to the realities and magnitude of a project like this and the efforts it takes by many others to get it right. When asked about pricing structure to help sell a quantity of product I must say, neither the GT Guys nor Shadowman think that $3,000. is enough for the installation so that leaves the basic price of the system in question? Justifying the price is in some people’s eyes simply not worth doing, saying, “it is what it is if you don’t think it is worth it don’t buy it”, but I always like to reveal a little more then I should so that you can see what I am facing; this is the brake down and how I came up with the $12,000. price.
Total development of the B-door system, engineering, CAD work, etc………………….…...$381,000.
Total cost of molds, match plates foundry tooling and machining ……………………………..$131,000.
Total cost to date for advertising, shows, meetings and associated cost………………… ...$111,485.
Total cost of producing the parts, assembling a set and all hardware for a car set……..$ 2,480.
Profit for a set of ready to be put on a GT ……………………….………………………………………………….25%
Number of units for amortizing the cost of the development, etc…………….100 units…..$6234.85 each
Add in the cost of the system………………………………………………………………………………………..$2,480.
Add in 25% profit per piece……………………………………………………………………………………………$10,893.56
So as you can now see there is $9,000. for the parts, (really more like $10,893.,and $3,000 for the install I have one hell of an investment in the system and my hope is to reach 100 units. After that the interest on the money spent comes out and hopefully, we start to make some money for the effort and investment and I start to look like a genus for thinking of the program to help GT owners enjoy their cars more.
Yes the name Butterfly might sound a little odd but it is right in keeping with the Lamo scissor, door of the Mercedes Gull wing door. Whatever the name I think it is a real answer for the car, so, now that I have bared the cost to all please tell me what works for you on price, but do remember Genaddi Design Group is not a nonprofit organization and amortizing over 100 units is just not a good business move.
Total development of the B-door system, engineering, CAD work, etc………………….…...$381,000.
Total cost of molds, match plates foundry tooling and machining ……………………………..$131,000.
Total cost to date for advertising, shows, meetings and associated cost………………… ...$111,485.
Total cost of producing the parts, assembling a set and all hardware for a car set……..$ 2,480.
Profit for a set of ready to be put on a GT ……………………….………………………………………………….25%
Number of units for amortizing the cost of the development, etc…………….100 units…..$6234.85 each
Add in the cost of the system………………………………………………………………………………………..$2,480.
Add in 25% profit per piece……………………………………………………………………………………………$10,893.56
So as you can now see there is $9,000. for the parts, (really more like $10,893.,and $3,000 for the install I have one hell of an investment in the system and my hope is to reach 100 units. After that the interest on the money spent comes out and hopefully, we start to make some money for the effort and investment and I start to look like a genus for thinking of the program to help GT owners enjoy their cars more.
Yes the name Butterfly might sound a little odd but it is right in keeping with the Lamo scissor, door of the Mercedes Gull wing door. Whatever the name I think it is a real answer for the car, so, now that I have bared the cost to all please tell me what works for you on price, but do remember Genaddi Design Group is not a nonprofit organization and amortizing over 100 units is just not a good business move.
- Aug 25, 2006
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Yes; in fact I would say that because of the tweaks and the extra time Bernard and I spent working together the fit is likely better than when the gal was first delivered to me new.
This comes back to what I said in my previous reply; mechanically I feel that many folks could install them howver I suspect that the extreme detail will only be done by a few; and this will be because they care.
If you were to approach her in a line up of other GT's and her doors were closed you would never know.
Takes care
Shadowman
- Aug 25, 2006
- 4,436
- Aug 25, 2006
- 4,436
Mark:
Thank you for bringing more information to the thread.
Mark is correct; I am all too aware of what it took to bring this project to reality; I share this based on my many conversations with the folks within Genaddi Design, my first hand experience installing the system, and based on my personal experience undertaking projects such as this. This was truly an extreme scope and magnitude project and yes I have openly shared on numerous occasions to many that the cost for the conversion by some standards may seem extreme however I have also said over and over that IMO it is under priced "IF" extreme detail and OEM style system integration remains a key part of the process. I went so far as to share that "IF" I were to complete such a conversion in my facility for another I would charge at least $5-6K for labor plus materials that would include the GTB system itself bringing the associated close into the $15-16K range and yet when completed there would be no compromises. I have also had many conversations with The GT Guys and the Genaddi Design Group regarding these feelings too.
As with most twist and tweaks they will not all be for everyone and yet if properly done will be appreciated by all and at the same time a half assed job regardless of scope and magnitude will always be a half assed job. There is little that I hate worse than to hear one share “but if we only had a little more time and money we could have taken it to the next level”; as mentioned earlier I believe that conversions of any value should be black or white; no compromise. Certainly we a can dream up all sorts of colors and yet in the end it is either “go or no go” based on ones ability to see the process through to term and not simply complete a phase of it.
Having shared this I feel that the GTB, Eagle doors, Butterfly doors, are an example of an extreme conversion that when being considered should be looked upon a permanent personal choice tweak rather than something to simply enjoy for awhile with the mind set that she will someday go back the way she originally came. Certainly she be converted back to OEM however to return her back to her true OEM self not simply to make her appear as OEM would be another scope and magnitude project with the time and associated cost likely being even greater than the GTB conversion itself.
For those that feel the proverbial shoe fits I remain confident that you will enjoy the results of the GTB conversion process and for those that feel it blasphemy to even consider such a conversion I ask that you respect ones decision and also consider appreciating the craftsmanship that went into the process.
In closing I read where group buys and reduced price are being asked for; let me tell you that “IF” I were you I would be MUCH more interested in who was going to complete the conversion, allow them more than enough time to do so, and I would sooner pay a premium for a stellar job and allow companies such as Genaddi design Group supported by folks such as Bernard make a quality nickel rather than look for a bargain. We all know the story about how folks receive the better deal but in the end actually pay more; monetarily and or emotionally. Furthermore I personally will not compromise in my facility because I learned LONG ago that once price concessions have been agreed to based on some sort of compromise; this could be time, quality, detail work or whatever and then completed the process is ultimately scrutinized by one that does not own the gal and did not pay the bill and inevitably the question comes up “why did they not do this or what about that” and I have NEVER heard a person sitting in that discussion say “I was a cheap ass and I wanted it done as inexpensive as possible” but rather they say “hummmm I do not know; in fact it bothers me too”.
In the end I would sooner see a hand full of stellar OEM integrated systems installed at a price that would cause most eyes to roll rather than make an attempt to meet the financial needs and desires of the many. If these were $10K Coastal-can-hardly gals then a quick set of hinges of the style being installed by numerous in and out facilities and a pair of triple wiper blades would likely be just fine however folks these gals are the real deal and every time you consider making a tweak it should compliment her and appear as though it could have been a part of the gal’s original design and seamlessly integrated.
If this system had been originally offered for $20K would it have caused me to walk away; doubtful but then I do not walk away from gals that cost many time what the GT cost us. Ford did us a huge favor by allowing this gal to be produced and then priced so that MANY could acquire them. If by example she had come from Italy the cost would have been likely double. No; this in itself does not justify the cost of admission when considering the GTB conversion but rather I hope it puts the value into better perspective. If I had been Mark and asked to complete such a conversion I would have done so as a solo act and never projected recovery from the downstream activity as such it would have been EXTREMELY expensive, of the highest quality, and unique which in the end I hope this system remains. I never liked being in a line up where all of the gals look the same; similar but I enjoy and appreciate seeing ones personality become a part of the gal; it is at this point that she truly becomes a part of ones family.
Takes care
Shadowman
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B O N Y
MODERATOR & FGT OWNER
Hello Bill,
Just read your post,... after sending you an email. I know the calibre of your work, what you expect of yourself and others, and you have earned my respect. If I buy the doors, they will be installed to your standards. I am not willing the accept less. Craftsmanship is not dead, just not found in every shop. Thank you for another excellent write up.
GOD BLESS AMERICA,
daniel
- Aug 25, 2006
- 4,436
Thank you Daniel
My gut tells me that if you elect to have the GTB conversion completed on your gal that you will be very happy
You takes care
Shadowman
B O N Y
MODERATOR & FGT OWNER
Hello Bill,
I am very interested in getting an out the door quote for the system. I am sure Mark and Bernard have undergone a fast learning curve. I know better than ask for an install at the rally, but perhaps before or after will work. Or better yet in your shop.
Cheers,
daniel
- Aug 25, 2006
- 4,436
Hi Daniel:
I would suspect that the team at Genaddi are considering pricing at this time. The only price that I can share is for the hardware which is presently $9K and then the labor situation as discussed is likely under review.
There is no doubt that the activity during the Rally will chaos however considering a conversion after should be doable.
Takes care
Shadowman
PeakCompletions
Boost is an addiction...
I just bought a trailer with the side doors to accomodate hauling around the GT.... I can fully open the door of the car now and hop out. My only concern with the door conversion is now it might come out and up a little too far and hit the wall of the trailer, or the roof????
What is the measurement of the top of the door when fully opened?
Anyone else throught this through?
Thanks in advance.
What is the measurement of the top of the door when fully opened?
Anyone else throught this through?
Thanks in advance.
- Aug 25, 2006
- 4,436
Mine are at 72"; now keep in mind that I set mine at this height but you can change this very easy and the adjustment offers a several inch spread.
I hope that this helps
Regards
Shadowman
PeakCompletions
Boost is an addiction...
- Aug 25, 2006
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IMO
If you read the entire thread them hopefully you have to come to understand that this conversion is not what I would refer to as a group buy proposition.
As I have shared the system was installed on my gal with me materially participating; it is truly awesome and I have never looked back. These comments are shared by others that have chosen this path as well however having shared this it is large project both in real work and the associated cost and in the end I stand my ground "be most concerned about who is going to complete the process and IMO it should be completed only by someone passionate about your gal and then let the associated cost be as they are because if a deal is what one is looking for the results; sadly will likely reflect it".
BTW: the real time to complete the conversion process in a methodical caring manner is approximately 40 hours and this is based on the process having been repeated more than once. This is what I refer to as a "scope and magnitude project"
At the present time I have two gals that I will be completing the GTB conversion on in my facility in the next several weeks and then once completed as with mine they will appear and function as if OEM.
All the best to you and your quest; it is a grand one
Shadowman
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Edson
GT Owner
Hey Shadowman,
Are you an installer for the GTB conversion? I am interested in the GTB and you are about 2000 miles closer than Green Bay.
Edson
Are you an installer for the GTB conversion? I am interested in the GTB and you are about 2000 miles closer than Green Bay.
Edson