200 mph, Whipple and the Salt Flats

[RaceDeck]

Well it depends on what "stock" means to you and what it means to them. Stock Does Not mean as it sits in a showroom.
Basically SCTA rules, it means the body is not at all modified (stock stone) , the engine and drivetrain is of the same configuration, no aero aids, etc. You must also keep the dash and door panels. You can do pretty much anything in engine mods within the stock configuration ( if turbo, then must stay turbo, sc then sc and so on). also the CI must remain within the class limit. gas only. There are many many other rules, but this gives you an idea.
As for safety items - you are right, after 150 you need a cage and after 200 even more of a cage as well as a chute. Most of which is bolt on items ( as the frame is aluminum) ,I am not sure how they rule. I will ask my RaceDeck dealer here in Utah, he is the president of the Bonneville 200 mph club and sits on the SCTA board. I do various racing events and the tech at Bonneville is the most stringement I have ever seen and for good reason.
I have been 200 on pavement and over 200 on the salt...On the salt you are virtually Hydroplaning on the salt with the car constantly drifting and fight the force of the wind and loss of traction.

 

[JimF]

Salt Flats

I, for one, would be very interested in what would need to be done to our cars to be able to drive on the salt flats. Any information would be appreciated.

Are there any other groups that we could run with that might not have as many requirements?

 

[barondw]

Jim
Contact Southern Califonria TIming Assocation (SCTA) as they are the ruling body. You need to get their rule book. Also on East Coast, East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) does events at Maxon, NC, one mile only.

Both have stringent rules for your own safety. If you don't abide by their rules you can't play in teir game.

A GT will require extensive modification to the interior and the installation of a special rioll cage. Read previous posts which covers additional information such as fire supression system, parachute, special seats, etc. etc.

Picture gives the idea of what a cockpit of a complying Corvette looks like. It is not for faint hearted or those that think driving 200 mph is an easy thing to do.

I know no picture having trouble uploading will try again later.

Dave

 

[barondw]

Here is a picture of a Vette cockpit which meets the Bonneville regulations:

 

[AlohaGT]

Here is a picture of a Vette cockpit which meets the Bonneville regulations:

Wow!:eek

 

[barondw]

This is a view of the improvised 2 courses at Bonneville on 15 Aug 2007.
Rain the week before washed out the entire 3 course racing surface that had been prepared. The salt was not good in 2007

Here is link to larger photo: http://www.fordgtforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2458&cat=500

 

[MWG]

welcome to the 200 mph club :cheers

with a whipple i would think you could go at least 220 mph if not closer to 230 mph. how much boost are you running and what did it dyno?

Will be interesting to see what Bob Self runs with his Whippled GT. East Coast Timing Association top speed challenge in Maxton, NC April 5-8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiawLbIn0xY

http://www.ecta-lsr.com/?page_id=21

 

[barondw]

Will be interesting to see what Bob Self runs with his Whippled GT. East Coast Timing Association top speed challenge in Maxton, NC April 5-8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiawLbIn0xY

http://www.ecta-lsr.com/?page_id=21

Remember ECTA MAxton is a standing mile.

There have been GTs there before. They must have full roll cages if over 175 mph, so he is not running the GT as shown on the dyno without a full roll cage installed. Also he needs a parachute for braking and I think a fire supression system.

 

[AlohaGT]

Remember ECTA MAxton is a standing mile.

There have been GTs there before. They must have full roll cages if over 175 mph, so he is not running the GT as shown on the dyno without a full roll cage installed. Also he needs a paracgute for braking and I think a fire supression system.

Isn't that a roll cage in his FGT?

 

[barondw]

Isn't that a roll cage in his FGT?

If so I missed it.

Dave

 

[MWG]

Isn't that a roll cage in his FGT?

It's visible 0:25 into the video.

 

[MWG]

Did a little surfing and found photos of a roll cage setup on an ALMS Ford GT for comparison.

http://www.weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=17077

 

[B O N Y]

great post, interesting thread you linked...
Thanks Mike!

 

[TEXAS GT]

I love to see projects like this. Not only is it informative, but it also means there is one less GT on the street which makes ours that much more valuable.

I'm amazed how many people are gutting these cars for race use but more power to them. A lot of a cars future value is determined by it's race history and since Ford didn't campaign any maybe these race cars will help to some degree.

 

[cobrar1339]

It's not the cage or gutting of the car. That can all be reversed pretty easy. It's the Salt.

I would never run anything on Salt that I want to keep. It does not seam to matter what you do, this stuff makes it way into everything. You simply cannot get it all out. Any humidity or mositure and the salt becomes an active corrosive. It makes stuff fall apart from the inside out .

This IMO is the same as giving the car a salvage title. Some people just don't know or care about what toll it takes on a car.

Salt is for disposable cars IMO.

 

[B O N Y]

It's not the cage or gutting of the car. That can all be reversed pretty easy. It's the Salt.

I would never run anything on Salt that I want to keep. It does not seam to matter what you do, this stuff makes it way into everything. You simply cannot get it all out. Any humidity or mositure and the salt becomes an active corrosive. It makes stuff fall apart from the inside out .

This IMO is the same as giving the car a salvage title. Some people just don't know or care about what toll it takes on a car.

Salt is for disposable cars IMO.

amen!
right on the money.
you have to be there one time and see it and then you understand.

 

[MWG]

I love to see projects like this. Not only is it informative, but it also means there is one less GT on the street which makes ours that much more valuable.

I'm amazed how many people are gutting these cars for race use but more power to them. A lot of a cars future value is determined by it's race history and since Ford didn't campaign any maybe these race cars will help to some degree.

Found another video with additional details of this project.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr0gClZybIQ

 

[barondw]

MWG

Did this car run at Maxton before? It looks familiar. I won't be there this April due to prior commitments.

Dave

 

[MWG]

MWG

Did this car run at Maxton before? It looks familiar. I won't be there this April due to prior commitments.

Dave

Not sure. Just saw this online and seemed relevant to the question of top speed of a Whipple'd GT. Will be interesting to see the time he runs.

--Mike

 

[barondw]

Not sure. Just saw this online and seemed relevant to the question of top speed of a Whipple'd GT. Will be interesting to see the time he runs.

--Mike

Mike
Remember its a standing mile, car may not reach its top speed. Problem at Maxton, like most places is hooking-up as the track is extremely bumpy.

There have been at least 2 GTs at Maxton that I am aware of; a black one and a tungsten one. Don't know if they were Whippled, assume not based on their results approximately 175 mph at end of standing mile.

Dave