SUV tax in Canada

[californiacuda]

Autoblog says that our socialist friends to the north are enacting a FOUR THOUSAND DOLLAR per vehicle tax on new suv's purchased. Wow, If I were GM or Ford and I needed to close a plant that produced suv's, I might go north across the border.

Additionally, what is the net effect to the overall Canadian standard of living.

The new tax is an attempt to change social behavior by creating a disincentive to purchase large(supposedly gas guzzling) automobiles.

I wish the US govt cared about me as much as the Canadians govt does about it's citizens. I am too stupid and I really need to be saved from myself. This is the same thing as excessive taxing of cigarettes, booze, maybe fast food, and like our Euro brothers petrol at $5/gallon.

Please, please Uncle Sam tax me more so you can help me.

 

[ChipBeck]

Up until 3 years ago....

.....I used to travel to Canada every year to go goose hunting. They have made it such a hassle that I don't go up there anymore. 40 years ago they used to produce about the same GDP per capita as the U.S. They have embraced socalism to the point that they now produce less than half the GDP per person as Americans do. They have turned themselves into Mexicans with sweaters.:frown

Chip

 

[06fordgt]

Hi Guys. I am a fellow Canadian neighbour and I am a Capitalist not a socialist. Yes it is true our "Conservative" minortiy government passed this in the budget. Remember the #1 job of any elected official is to get RE-ELECTED!. Anyways this is silly I agree, considering all the other waste that goes on here as in most places. I agree that the big 3 should tell them to shove it. But the big 3 are somewhat subsidized up here in 1 fashion or another. Also this cost WILL be passed on to the consumer in any event so what do the big 3 really care.
By the way Canada was not socialist until former Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau was elected. Actually I think he was a communist at heart even though he came from a wealthy family.
But look at the bright side we have free health care and free schooling for the kids!!!:willy

 

[Empty Pockets]

They have turned themselves into Mexicans with sweaters.:frown

Chip

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

My in-laws are Canadian AND WOULD BACK YOUR STATEMENT 100%!!!!!!

 

[Empty Pockets]

But look at the bright side we have free health care and free schooling for the kids!!!:willy

Proving once again, that - much like "freedom" - healthcare & schooling arn't "free" either. (Yes! I realize you were just being sarcastic!:lol )

 

[californiacuda]

In the 20th century which system of government produced the best economic results. Was it communism, compare East Germany and West Germany. Was it totalitarianism, well Mr Hitler or Mussolini and a host of others aren't around to check. Was it socialism, well Europe and other socialist governments are still around, but It's no contest. Capitalism has its faults, but it is far and and away the most successful. I don't think that may can really argue the point.

 

[Empty Pockets]

I don't think that may can really argue the point.

Oh, many can "argue" it ...just not successfully.

 

[californiacuda]

This is going to sound a little crazy, but bear with me. The environmental movement is really a front for anarchist, bent on the destruction of the US. The real goal is to bring the only real superpower in the world down a few pegs. the US does not deserve or have the right to have a better standard of living and more military might than the rest of the world. So, whenever there is an attempt to increase our ability to expand energy production capability it is squashed by the environmental/anarchists.

In the last 20 years, there have been no refineries, no nuclear plants, no increased access to oil production, only stupid ass windmills or some such other nonsense that never financially pans out.

So when your country was not allowed to increase its energy productions for extended periods of time, what do you think is going on?

 

[BlackICE]

This is going to sound a little crazy, but bear with me. The environmental movement is really a front for anarchist, bent on the destruction of the US. The real goal is to bring the only real superpower in the world down a few pegs. the US does not deserve or have the right to have a better standard of living and more military might than the rest of the world. So, whenever there is an attempt to increase our ability to expand energy production capability it is squashed by the environmental/anarchists.

In the last 20 years, there have been no refineries, no nuclear plants, no increased access to oil production, only stupid ass windmills or some such other nonsense that never financially pans out.

So when your country was not allowed to increase its energy productions for extended periods of time, what do you think is going on?

And it all starts in the classrooms where this BULL is taught to our kids. I see the stuff being taught and have to tell my son that the teacher wants you to say this, but it is unproven and not the complete picture. It even happens at the University level, where one of my friend's daughter has to take some BS class to protest at a local mall, and try to get arrested. Where does the lunacy end?

Hearing Gore talk about global warming makes me puke! China will soon exceed the US in greenhouse gases and no one is saying anything about that. Let me see the ex VP of the US touting policies to stop energy production and consumption in the US while taking campaign contributions from Chinese lobbyist. Whose side is he on? What will he say when our jobs and economy is in the toilet while China kicks our a**?

 

[Empty Pockets]

Man! Do YOU live in the W-R-O-N-G part of the counrty, 'Ice!:rofl

 

[BlackICE]

Man! Do YOU live in the W-R-O-N-G part of the counrty, 'Ice!:rofl

Yes I do! I live very close to Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi!

 

[Neilda]

Cars in the UK are being heavily taxed at the moment - large cars (that's not just 4X4, but Bentley, Jaguar, Aston, BMW etc) will now be taxed at $800 a year in 'road tax', in addition you will be charged $50 each time you drive it to London. On top of that, 87% of the price of gas is tax. Oh, and of course you pay 17.5% of the purchase price in tax - and car tax on top.

On the upside, our Governement is considering making a payment out of my tax dollars as an apology for the slave trade. :bored

I've not known such deep apathy for how this country is run for many years, I should move to Canada!

 

[BlackICE]

In the US any cars that don't meet government gas mileage standards are assessed a one time gas guzzler tax, payable on purchase. The tax for the GT was $2100! SUV and trucks are exempt from the tax since they are not cars.

 

[californiacuda]

The philosophy that Gore and others like him espouse is a veiled movement towards reducing the US's sole position as the world military and economic power. Gore would say,"I'm going to sign Kyoto and in doing so I'm saving the plant for our future".

He may indeed believe that statement. But the effect of policies like this is to continue to reduce our ability to use resources and produce things. To not allow us to continue being the great economic machine that the US has been for the last 100 years. People like Gore want the US to be brought down to a level more consistent with the rest of the world.

It couldn't be that when there is a stable operating environment and you get out of peoples ways, their natural desire is to work to better their plight in life.

The elitists can't stand the fact that capitalism works and socialism doesn't.

 

[Empty Pockets]

In the US any cars that don't meet government gas mileage standards are assessed a one time gas guzzler tax, payable on purchase. The tax for the GT was $2100!

And what actual GOOD does this tax really do to change anything except in who's wallet the guzzler tax money resides (he asked rhetorically)? What does it really do to help "conserve" energy? As was stated earlier - it's just an attempt at social engineering thru taxation.

The really ridiculous thing about this tax - as it applies to MOST "supercars" (and a lot of other "high end" cars as well) - is the fact that by far the vast majority of 'same ARE ONLY DRIVEN A FEW HUNDRED MILES A YEAR ...and SOME arn't driven at all! So, it wouldn't matter "energy wise" if these things got 3 mpg! Yet, the owners of THESE cars are "fined" (and that's what this tax really is) the same as if they drove 'em 20K annually.

...I love government.:bs

 

[Craig]

"Who is John Gault?"

Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand

 

[californiacuda]

The point about limited usage Gt gas guzzler tax is spot on. Like many taxes, if you go after a small number of people to be taxed not much complaining from the masses, in fact there will be accolades for the taxers because of envy

The honest truth is that 10% of the people do about 90% of the work. If the super achievers are not rewarded through money or recognition, they may chose to express themselves in a different non economic way.

In a socialistic system do you want to bust your ass, work 80 hours a week and get paid the same as the schlub next to you who plays computer games all day long and leaves early. Socialistic systems are doomed to failure, its only a matter of time.

 

[AtomicGT]

Petrol in England is 94 pence per liter, X 3.8 litres per gallon = 3.572 Pounds Sterling X $2.12/Pound = $7.57 per gallon.

Common socialist practice is to tax your butts to pay for their retirement and benefits. Canadians are taxed to the max already!

 

[Matavarium]

About that tax in Canada on SUVs.

I live in Canada and my mom just bought a '07 toyota yaris, and she got 1000$ back from the government. It also applies on the prius and other hybrid/ecological cars.

I find it kinda weird