Spent 10 minutes on the phone today with Steve at SafeCraft. Excellent advice and service for a last minute project.
These guys know the performance game!
These guys know the performance game!
Seat Harness - 6pt
- Thread starter donnymac
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fjpikul
GT Owner
Donny, do you know they make a fire suppression system specific for the GT? Many of us have it installed.
We talked about that but I am out of time on race prep. Going with floor/seat mount for now and will upgrade later. I appreciate your experienced advice.:thumbsup
That's exactly what I did. Ready to rock and roll. I am open to any GT suggestions you have. :thumbsup
shelbyelite
PERMANENTLY BANNED
- May 10, 2007
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Glad they took care of you Donny! Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. My partner is on vacation this week an has left me with twice the duties!
Talk to you soon!
Talk to you soon!
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
In our cars with the 6 pt harness installed, the submarine and lap belts attach to the seat belt brackets. This past year I was informed by our local Porsche club that because my seats did not allow a proper submarine belt attachment, I could not use my harness. I refuse to put different seats in my GT, and, as my track experience has improved, I can no longer comfortably just use my factory seat belts...I can't stay in my seat with hard cornering. So, no club events with the Porsche club. Have not seen this with other car clubs yet. Have you all encountered any similar problems? Could this be a trend? Solutions?
tpraceman
THEE GT OWNER
Put on a over size Jock Strap and attach it to your lap belt.:rofl
This will keep your balls in place which is a must when driving as fast you are:thumbsup
This will keep your balls in place which is a must when driving as fast you are:thumbsup
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
fjpikul
GT Owner
Nirvana, I don't quite understand how your belts are attached. Porsche club in St. Louis has no problem with mine. I have the SafeCraft 6-point with the Brey-Krauss hook-ins and Wally's bar. What's different about yours?
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
Our local Porsche Club, Carolinas Region, has said that to pass tech, the new PCA restraint standards starting for the March 2008 DE events require that 5 or 6pt harnesses only be used with seats designed to accomodate 5 or 6 pt harnesses. 4pt harnesses are not allowed. Shoulder harnesses are ok in our GT...but not the submarine belt attachment. And I am using what you guys are using...Brey-Krauss mounts in the seat belt bracket for both lap and submarine belts (I have the fire extinguisher from Safecraft and all the goodies). I am a member of our local Porsche club and have attended several meetings. When I first heard about these changes, I immediately contacted our local reps, drove my car to the meeting, and showed them my set-up. And the answer was "no". Have not encountered any other problems with the local Audi or Ferrari clubs...but it did worry me.
Unfortunately, I found out about this issue AFTER I joined the local club last year. Needless to say, I did not go to any events last year...'cause I am not going on a road coarse with these slippery seats and the factory seat belt!
Unfortunately, I found out about this issue AFTER I joined the local club last year. Needless to say, I did not go to any events last year...'cause I am not going on a road coarse with these slippery seats and the factory seat belt!
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
This is not just a regional issue with PCA.
"If the participant chooses to install a 5/6 point driving harness, several changes to the automobile must be made to create a safe occupant restraint system. Harnesses must include an antisubmarine strap and be mounted in an approved manner consistent with the manufacturer’s instructions. The Harness system must be used in conjunction with a seat which has the supplied routing holes for the shoulder and anti-submarine belts."
Here is the link that I got this from..
http://www.pnwr.org/Track/driver_ed/rules.asp
but I found it on other PCA region sites as well. Again, if you are mounting the harness like most of us here are (again correct me if I am wrong?) the problem is the submarine belt attachment and the lack of "holes" in our seat for this attachment.
"If the participant chooses to install a 5/6 point driving harness, several changes to the automobile must be made to create a safe occupant restraint system. Harnesses must include an antisubmarine strap and be mounted in an approved manner consistent with the manufacturer’s instructions. The Harness system must be used in conjunction with a seat which has the supplied routing holes for the shoulder and anti-submarine belts."
Here is the link that I got this from..
http://www.pnwr.org/Track/driver_ed/rules.asp
but I found it on other PCA region sites as well. Again, if you are mounting the harness like most of us here are (again correct me if I am wrong?) the problem is the submarine belt attachment and the lack of "holes" in our seat for this attachment.
fjpikul
GT Owner
Nirvana, while I can't guarantee that you'll pass, run the sub belts under the seat and have them exit on the front edge of the seat. Then bring them back and hook to your harness. Might wear on your leather a little. The only thing they want in St. Louis is receipt of fresh brake fluid.
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
Pca
Cyclenirvana - obviously that PCA chapter is not for you. There are many open tracks groups that will let you drive with them. Not every rule is based on fact. It's no use arguing. It's their loss!
Have fun on the track,
Ed
My Safecraft 6-pt harness & stock seat is accepted everywhere I've been in CA & NV.
Cyclenirvana - obviously that PCA chapter is not for you. There are many open tracks groups that will let you drive with them. Not every rule is based on fact. It's no use arguing. It's their loss!
Have fun on the track,
Ed
My Safecraft 6-pt harness & stock seat is accepted everywhere I've been in CA & NV.
Problem with this is - the sub belts (at least those from Simpson) aren't that long....
fjpikul
GT Owner
The SafeCraft belts are that long. When I first set up my belts, this is how I did it, rather than sitting them as Ed Simms suggested. Wally set me straight and helped me adjust everything properly in Vegas.
Cyclenirvana
GT Owner
You are right Ed. This is the reason I have not had a track session with the PCA. Otherwise, our set-up appears fine.
Thanks!