My friend Tom in LA has just begun looking for a used GT. He calls me and asks my advice and I told him to call Shelby at Elite Autos, which he did and almost bought one. Next day he sends me an email with an attachment from AutoTrader.com with a few GT’s attached. One, a 2005 located in Augusta GA, great condition, all 4 options, and with 8500 mi is listed for $100K. Right away I tell him that’s too good to be true, but he follows up on it. He calls the number, but phone line is disconnected. Two days later he receives the first of many emails from a William Hartwig. I also inquire and work my angle out of Chicago :secret:, but warn him to be leery. I Google the name of the supposed owner and it gives me a retired US Navy Captain. William also has an official looking Gmail account. The AutoTrader listing was removed after 4 days.
With that said, here’s the emails that followed:
WILLIAM - March 31
Hi,
I apologize for the delay. I was busy. The car is still for sale. My selling price is $100,000. Clean and clear title in hand. No accidents. The price is low because I must sell the car fast. I have a serious financial problem and the sale of my car is the last solution.
I have a clean CARFAX report and I can send it to you. Also, I can send you the pictures and more details too. Just let me know if you are still interested.
Where are you located?
ME - March 31
Hi William,
Thanks for getting back to me. I am in Chicago, IL and would like to come down at your convenience to see the GT.
In the mean time, I would greatly appreciate a copy of your CarFax report & any pics you have.
Feel free to call me anytime at 773-XXX-XXXX.
William actually sends me the CarFax report, which looks good. He also sends about 8 pictures, but none include the VIN #. I have a friend at Ford who got me a CarFax and all service records. The car appeared legit and was never in an accident.
WILLIAM - April 1
Hi Grant,
I am working in the US Navy and now I am on a mission on the Persian Gulf. I am on a aircraft carrier and I don't have phone access. I am selling the car for a low price because I have financial problems. The vehicle is currently located in CA. (he sends Tom the same email except that the car is in GA) The vehicle is already at the shipping company ready to be shipped. I already arranged the deal with another person but he changed his mind because he found another vehicle. He already paid the shipping charges. You will not pay shipping charges. Shipping is free. The car is insured in case of damage and it takes 7 days to be delivered at your door. It will come with all the necessary paperwork (clear title, bill of sale, warranty documents, user's manual, insurance etc). I signed all the paperwork and I have the clean and clear title ready for transfer.
This is the VIN#: 1FAFP90S56Y400910. The vehicle is registered in my name and I am the 3rd owner. There is no lien on the vehicle.
The general condition is impeccable. The vehicle is like new, completely working, perfect running condition, with no hidden damages or accidents, no dents, door dings or scratches, it has always been garage kept, non-smoker, still smells like new, no pets. The car has 8,500 miles.
I will send you the pictures (in zip format) and the carfax report in my next messages. Check your email. The messages may not come to inbox.
If you are still interested just let me know and I will send you more details in order to make a safe transaction.
ME - April 1
Hi William,
Car looks good and I appreciate the CarFax report. I can make it out to CA to inspect the car and do the deal on sight. Just send me the information and I'll come out there ASAP.
Hopefully this Fri to Mon is good. Do you have someone to meet me at the shipping company?
WILLIAM - April 2
Grant,
I can only deliver the car to your front door because I am not in US in this moment. The car will arrive at your door in 7 days. The shipping is paid. You will not pay shipping charges. As soon as the vehicle will be at your home, you will have 7 days to inspect and test drive the car. If you will not like the car 100% you will ship it back at my expense :bs. I'm sure this will not happen because the car is in excellent condition.
The car is at the shipping company with all the paperwork inside. You will receive all the original documents and keys with the car. I signed all the paperwork and the title is ready to be transferred to the new owner. You will have the chance to inspect the car before I will be paid.
The only way we can do this transaction is through Ebay because I want a smooth and safe transaction.
If you are interested to buy my car, please send me your full name, shipping address and phone number so I can register the transaction with Ebay. Ebay will reply you with more details and informations about this transaction.
WILLIAM - April 2
Tom,
Savannah, GA. I will make the deal through Ebay so they will send the payment instructions. Send me your details so I can register the transaction with Ebay. If you accept the conditions from Ebay we can make this deal. If not I will find another buyer.
Tom sends his Ebay info and gets this message:
WILLIAM - April 2
Date: April 2, 2009 12:21:15 PM PDT
From: eBay <support@vehicle-pay-program.com>
To: XXXX@earthlink.net
Subject: eBay Customer Support - Item 2006 FORD GT
eBay sent this message to Tom XXXX.
Dear Tom XXXX,
In order to complete this transaction you must make the payment via bank-to-bank electronic wire transfer of US $50,000.00 to eBay Motors bank account number 0383777587. eBay Motors will secure the payment until you will receive, inspect and accept the vehicle. Or, if it is the case, eBay will refund the payment to you. After payment is secured, the Seller is authorized to ship the vehicle. Your funds will not be released to the Seller until you have received and approved the merchandise you are purchasing. You will have 7 days to inspect it. If it is complete and as described, you should accept the vehicle. If you refuse the vehicle, you must ship the vehicle back to the Seller within 10 business days and the refund will be sent to you. The Seller will support the return shipping charges. If the vehicle is accepted, you will send the remaining balance of US $50,000.00 to eBay Motors and eBay Motors Financial Department submits the payment directly to the Seller within 3 business days.
Sincerely,
eBay Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department).
ME - April 3
Hi William,
Just to be sure, I ordered another Carfax and the GT came up clean with no problems just like you said. Are we going to be using PayPal on Ebay? It seems like the most logical way to go about the transaction - that way neither of us has any worries.
My username on Ebay is XXXX. So I guess you'll set it up there and I'll give you the shipping address then?
WILLIAM – April 4
Grant,
I will make the deal through Ebay so they will send the payment instructions. Send me your details so I can register the transaction with Ebay. If you accept the conditions from Ebay we can make this deal. If not I will find another buyer.
ME – April 4
William,
That sounds good, but wouldn't it be better if I wire you, say $5000 using Western Union (or does the US Navy have a banking service) as a good faith deposit to hold the car for me?
WILLIAM – April 5
Grant,
What are you talking about? That will be better but I may take your money and disappear.:lol The payment will be made only by wire transfer not by money orders which are not safe services.
ME – April 5
William,
Cool, I just thought I could hold the car with the deposit & save you any charges through Ebay.
Nonetheless, before I send the money, could you take a picture of the GT with the VIN number and today's newspaper with the date visible & while you’re at it, include your Stupid Ass Scamming Punk Face in it as well! :usa
Funny that I haven't received any emails since. Fortunately, we were able to see thru this scam pretty early, but as we know, some people will get suckered.
I hope if anyone knows of this William Hartwig and he actually does own a GT, they could alert him that someone is trying to steal his identity.
Tom is still looking for a Tungsten for about 100K. :driving:
With that said, here’s the emails that followed:
WILLIAM - March 31
Hi,
I apologize for the delay. I was busy. The car is still for sale. My selling price is $100,000. Clean and clear title in hand. No accidents. The price is low because I must sell the car fast. I have a serious financial problem and the sale of my car is the last solution.
I have a clean CARFAX report and I can send it to you. Also, I can send you the pictures and more details too. Just let me know if you are still interested.
Where are you located?
ME - March 31
Hi William,
Thanks for getting back to me. I am in Chicago, IL and would like to come down at your convenience to see the GT.
In the mean time, I would greatly appreciate a copy of your CarFax report & any pics you have.
Feel free to call me anytime at 773-XXX-XXXX.
William actually sends me the CarFax report, which looks good. He also sends about 8 pictures, but none include the VIN #. I have a friend at Ford who got me a CarFax and all service records. The car appeared legit and was never in an accident.
WILLIAM - April 1
Hi Grant,
I am working in the US Navy and now I am on a mission on the Persian Gulf. I am on a aircraft carrier and I don't have phone access. I am selling the car for a low price because I have financial problems. The vehicle is currently located in CA. (he sends Tom the same email except that the car is in GA) The vehicle is already at the shipping company ready to be shipped. I already arranged the deal with another person but he changed his mind because he found another vehicle. He already paid the shipping charges. You will not pay shipping charges. Shipping is free. The car is insured in case of damage and it takes 7 days to be delivered at your door. It will come with all the necessary paperwork (clear title, bill of sale, warranty documents, user's manual, insurance etc). I signed all the paperwork and I have the clean and clear title ready for transfer.
This is the VIN#: 1FAFP90S56Y400910. The vehicle is registered in my name and I am the 3rd owner. There is no lien on the vehicle.
The general condition is impeccable. The vehicle is like new, completely working, perfect running condition, with no hidden damages or accidents, no dents, door dings or scratches, it has always been garage kept, non-smoker, still smells like new, no pets. The car has 8,500 miles.
I will send you the pictures (in zip format) and the carfax report in my next messages. Check your email. The messages may not come to inbox.
If you are still interested just let me know and I will send you more details in order to make a safe transaction.
ME - April 1
Hi William,
Car looks good and I appreciate the CarFax report. I can make it out to CA to inspect the car and do the deal on sight. Just send me the information and I'll come out there ASAP.
Hopefully this Fri to Mon is good. Do you have someone to meet me at the shipping company?
WILLIAM - April 2
Grant,
I can only deliver the car to your front door because I am not in US in this moment. The car will arrive at your door in 7 days. The shipping is paid. You will not pay shipping charges. As soon as the vehicle will be at your home, you will have 7 days to inspect and test drive the car. If you will not like the car 100% you will ship it back at my expense :bs. I'm sure this will not happen because the car is in excellent condition.
The car is at the shipping company with all the paperwork inside. You will receive all the original documents and keys with the car. I signed all the paperwork and the title is ready to be transferred to the new owner. You will have the chance to inspect the car before I will be paid.
The only way we can do this transaction is through Ebay because I want a smooth and safe transaction.
If you are interested to buy my car, please send me your full name, shipping address and phone number so I can register the transaction with Ebay. Ebay will reply you with more details and informations about this transaction.
WILLIAM - April 2
Tom,
Savannah, GA. I will make the deal through Ebay so they will send the payment instructions. Send me your details so I can register the transaction with Ebay. If you accept the conditions from Ebay we can make this deal. If not I will find another buyer.
Tom sends his Ebay info and gets this message:
WILLIAM - April 2
Date: April 2, 2009 12:21:15 PM PDT
From: eBay <support@vehicle-pay-program.com>
To: XXXX@earthlink.net
Subject: eBay Customer Support - Item 2006 FORD GT
eBay sent this message to Tom XXXX.
Dear Tom XXXX,
In order to complete this transaction you must make the payment via bank-to-bank electronic wire transfer of US $50,000.00 to eBay Motors bank account number 0383777587. eBay Motors will secure the payment until you will receive, inspect and accept the vehicle. Or, if it is the case, eBay will refund the payment to you. After payment is secured, the Seller is authorized to ship the vehicle. Your funds will not be released to the Seller until you have received and approved the merchandise you are purchasing. You will have 7 days to inspect it. If it is complete and as described, you should accept the vehicle. If you refuse the vehicle, you must ship the vehicle back to the Seller within 10 business days and the refund will be sent to you. The Seller will support the return shipping charges. If the vehicle is accepted, you will send the remaining balance of US $50,000.00 to eBay Motors and eBay Motors Financial Department submits the payment directly to the Seller within 3 business days.
Sincerely,
eBay Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department).
ME - April 3
Hi William,
Just to be sure, I ordered another Carfax and the GT came up clean with no problems just like you said. Are we going to be using PayPal on Ebay? It seems like the most logical way to go about the transaction - that way neither of us has any worries.
My username on Ebay is XXXX. So I guess you'll set it up there and I'll give you the shipping address then?
WILLIAM – April 4
Grant,
I will make the deal through Ebay so they will send the payment instructions. Send me your details so I can register the transaction with Ebay. If you accept the conditions from Ebay we can make this deal. If not I will find another buyer.
ME – April 4
William,
That sounds good, but wouldn't it be better if I wire you, say $5000 using Western Union (or does the US Navy have a banking service) as a good faith deposit to hold the car for me?
WILLIAM – April 5
Grant,
What are you talking about? That will be better but I may take your money and disappear.:lol The payment will be made only by wire transfer not by money orders which are not safe services.
ME – April 5
William,
Cool, I just thought I could hold the car with the deposit & save you any charges through Ebay.
Nonetheless, before I send the money, could you take a picture of the GT with the VIN number and today's newspaper with the date visible & while you’re at it, include your Stupid Ass Scamming Punk Face in it as well! :usa
Funny that I haven't received any emails since. Fortunately, we were able to see thru this scam pretty early, but as we know, some people will get suckered.
I hope if anyone knows of this William Hartwig and he actually does own a GT, they could alert him that someone is trying to steal his identity.
Tom is still looking for a Tungsten for about 100K. :driving: