Civilization is but a thin veneer.......


ChipBeck

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.......that rests as fragile as an egg shell upon the surface of humanity. It never seems to take much of a blow to puncture that membrane and plunge society back into "Lord of the Flies" stone age barbarism.

Canada is a well educated and very sophisticated modern country, and all it took was the loss of a hockey game to turn Vancouver into a war zone of burning cars, smashed glass, looted stores, and lawlessness. We've seen it here with Rodney King, Katrina, Watt's, and just about every Chicago sports team Championship. Look at the pictures below of Canucks fans after their team lost the Stanley Cup Final. Good grief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...7936.html#s293140&title=Stanley_Cup_Vancouver

These godless, atheist fans felt "entitled to a win", and in the absence of that, any excuse will do to loot and pillage like a subhuman savage.

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Being a hardcore sports fan is no different than gang banger mentality in my humble opinion. I lost my respect for this declining society years ago.
 

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Being Canadian I can say that I am embarassed at the way my fellow countrymen acted last night in one of North Americas most beautiful cities (had it been one of our less beautiful cities that wouldnt have mattered either). This sort of thing has happened in Vancouver before, but here in Edmonton we are not immune to the stupidity. In 2006 we had our own group of jacka**s that did similar things numerous evenings when our own NHL team made a suprising run to the finals and then lost.

One has to question if these people are in fact "fans" of the teams or just a bunch of low lifes looking to cause problems. When watching the events unfold last night one thing that struck me was how did a number of people have masks with them to hide thier faces? The temperature in Vancouver is normally quite moderate and it is June, no need to keep warm!! My guess is no matter the outcome of the game these idiots had one thing in mind.

Congratulations to the Boston Bruins they were far and away the better team last night and deserved the win. Congratulations to the Vancouver Police Department for the restraint they clearly showed and hopefully through photos and video the idiots can be arrested.
 

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Those aren't the fans, they're the vandals. They wear the jersey's to hide their crimes. Many years ago I was in Spain watching some international soccer when I saw a group of obviously very drunk English soccer hooligans who were out to create some obvious havoc. I knew they were English since they were all wearing union jack shorts or muscle shirts. As I passed them, I noticed that they were all speaking fluent German. German soccer fans, dressed as English hooligans to create mayhem amoung the crowds. Had I not heard them talking, I'd have thought to this day that they were English hooligans.

Anyway, in Vancouver the real fans banded together this morning in both attempts to identify the hooligans and to clean up their carnage left behind. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2011/06/16/bc-riot-thursday.html THESE are the true Canadians, and the true fans. I salute them while holding my contempt high for the idiots hiding behind the team jersey for an excuse to ruin their beautiful city.
 

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As an aside, despite being Canadian, I was cheering for Boston who have more Canadians on their team than Vancouver does. This even though a B's win would give them one more overall Stanley Cup's than my beloved Oilers. It was a great hockey game notwithstanding the terrible aftermath.

And sadly, I don't think those 'fans' would have rioted and destroyed the city any less had the Canucks won. :frown
 

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Yet, the peaceful law-abiding citizens of Japan were only concerned with helping their fellow man when the earthquake/tidal wave disaster occurred. Must have something to do with our Western culture, or lack thereof.
 
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Yet, the peaceful law-abiding citizens of Japan were only concerned with helping their fellow man when the earthquake/tidal wave disaster occurred. Must have something to do with our Western culture, or lack thereof.

Amen Ralphie, Amen!
 

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Yep. Not much doubt they behaved like total morons. But, mayhaps, before us Yankees get too uppity, we might wanna reflect a moment on the RIOTS in L.A. when the Lakers W-O-N their 'championship in June 2010? (And I seem to remember more than one or two other equally stupid displays in other U.S. cities over the years as well.)

Jus' sayin'...
 

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As a Canadian who emigrated here in the 80's to escape Socialism and gun control I would say the one major advantage south of the border is that with the Second Amendment at least we have the means to protect ourselves when social order breaks down.
On the economic front as Canada has moved back to the center it is now more free market oriented than the US. The US$ has also wrested the title of northern peso away from the C$.
 

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Never ceases to depress me.
 

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It's the same the world over - London, Paris, Athens.... all of these cities have seen the rise of the mask wearing moron who enjoys smashing up shops and cars, usually right before they pick up their benefit cheque (check) which we've all worked to pay them.

The Police in the UK take high definition videos of rioters and get them eventually. I hope they do the same in Canada.
 

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From yesterday:

June 19, 2011
The Deep Shame of Vancouver
By David Warren


Anyone who loves this country -genuinely loves her, as opposed to the many gestures and emotions that ape love -will have felt deep shame at the rioting in Vancouver this last week. It gave the lie to so many pretences.

I was impressed with a remark by Bob Rae, who has grown old enough now, and perhaps hopeless enough in his political ambitions, to sometimes utter a truth.

"To lay this at the door of 'a few agitators' ignores the numbers who egged on the destruction of property and completely unnecessary confrontation with the police."

He went on to call for a public inquiry, as politicians habitually do. This would be almost as unnecessary as the confrontation. Everything we need to know is available in the videos; especially the amateur ones posted on the Internet. Cameras can be made to lie, but to paraphrase Lincoln, not all the cameras, all the time. We have seen a spectacle of Canadian youth that should be seared into national memory, together with some scenes from the G20 summit in Toronto, last year, and take your pick of demonstrations in Montreal.

Each puts the lie to our national self-image -sold successfully to the more credulous abroad -that we are a polite people, a restrained and civil people, a people in charge of our testosterone levels.

That the rioters were almost all young, goes without saying. That is when testosterone runs high. Older guys like me, must own to a docility that is largely biological, in this and every culture. Nature is speaking here; just as it speaks through the underemployed young of the Islamic world, who are offered terrorism and civil insurrection as the only practicable outlets. Just as in Greece, and elsewhere in Europe, we watch the anarchy that accompanies the disintegration of the Nanny State, among a generation that knows only how to demand and take, and will give nothing.

There is nothing that can be done about human nature, beyond twisting it. The zeal of youth will be there, in every generation. It is also expressed in heroic acts, including those of soldiers in necessary wars; in acts of selfless devotion to friends, family, and even to strangers; in art and poetry and music; and in the legitimate mystical life wherein God is served through the action of prayer. In every high civilization, the energy of youth is harnessed to profoundly civilized ends.

But in our time, in our society, it is expressed in hockey riots.

The shame for that does not attach only to the perpetrators, for they are the leading edge of our whole society. And those who decry the behaviour of a single generation, must ask who raised them.

Nor is Vancouver to be especially condemned, for something that could happen and has happened elsewhere. What makes Vancouver interesting is that it is socially more "advanced" - has gone farther down the road to which all Canadian society has been trending. It is Canada's most "progressive" city. We see here what that progress has been toward; what lies just under the surface of all that smileyface, laid-back, "inclusivity."

Compare Calgary, whose Flames both won and lost Stanley Cup finals without property damage. Among large Canadian cities, Calgary is supposedly most "backward." It is the redneck town; the wild west of oil rigs and cowboy capitalism. We need more such enterprising backwardness.

We have by increments, over time, created a culture in which the circus of professional sports is central. And it is like representative democracy: a form of civic life adapted to consumption by couch potatoes. Real democracy is direct participation in public life; real sport is playing, not watching surrogates play. Each can potentially offer a training in character; including a respect for adversaries that comes from personal experience of their skills.

Compare the attitude of young anarchists toward the police, in Vancouver and elsewhere. Since the 1960s, when they were first called "pigs" in the degenerate hippie subculture, through decades in which police behaviour has been adapted by ever more fatuous, "politically correct" bureaucratic edicts, our attitudes toward them have "evolved." We no longer expect them to be kindly. To the young they now resemble zombies; to the police, the rioters are an impersonal force, coming at them like a tsunami.

To me, witnessing last year's riots in Toronto at first hand, the most frightening thing was the entirely depersonalized encounter, between the police and crowds. Arrests were being made in the mass, often indifferently to individual behaviour. From the other side, police were reviled only because they were police (helmeted, visored, padded, shielded -and electronically wired to a command post far away, giving orders as if to robots).

How far we have come from the notion of the individual citizen, with a personal stake in the civil order, uniquely responsible for his acts. "Civility" requires that this notion be rekindled. It cannot be done with mass propaganda from a new taxpayer-funded Department of Civility. It can only be done one human being at a time, through good, solid, very old-fashioned families.



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Very well stated.
 
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DJS,

I know you didn't write it, but that was a GREAT post.

Chip
 

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Agreed but there is one pretty cool pic in there..... The pic of the couple kissing as riot control walks away from them and towards camera.... I like it....
Absolutely horrible either way you look at it though... why? amazes me as to what a handful of people can cause hundreds of people to do :(
CHICAGO FANS???? WHAT!!!! C'mon, we're not that bad!!! are we?
 

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Bla bla bla... do they have bail bondsman in Vancouver? That place is a powder keg. Seriously tho, they were cheated, I was so mad that I destroyed this innocent piece paper. I even threw it a glass window after that.

Grrrrrrr, ya feel me?!?!
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On a side note, the unique sound of a low flying Huey Gunship, and perhaps the ever so faint wisp of 50mm projectiles gently passing between your ears lobes, would have brought some much needed reality to their defeat.