5th Generation Fighter Planes
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BlackICE
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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor#Ban_on_exports
Ban on exports
No opportunity for export currently exists because the export sale of the F-22 is barred by American federal law.[25] Most current customers for U.S. fighters are either acquiring earlier designs like the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, or else are waiting to acquire the F-35 Lightning II (the Joint Strike Fighter), which contains technology from the F-22 but is designed to be cheaper, more flexible, and available for export from the start. The F-35 will not be as nimble as the F-22 or fly as high or as fast, but its radar and avionics will be more advanced.[26]
The Japanese government reportedly showed interest in buying F-22s in its Replacement-Fighter program for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF).[27] If it were to occur, it would most likely involve a "watered-down" export variant while still retaining most of its advanced avionics and stealth characteristics. However, such a proposal would still need approval from the Pentagon, State Department and Congress. In addition the high per aircraft costs and the very high operating expenses would require a lifting of the popular 1 percent of GDP military budget ceiling in Japan.[28] On 9 June 2009, Japanese Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada said that Japan still seeks the F-22.[29]
The US Congress upheld the ban on F-22 Raptor foreign sales during a joint conference on 27 September 2006.[30] After talks in Washington in December 2006, the US DoD reported the F-22 would not be available for foreign sale.[31]
"The IAF would be happy to equip itself with 24 F-22s, but the problem at this time is the US refusal to sell the aircraft, and its $200 million price tag."
Israeli Air Force (IAF) chief procurement officer Brigadier-General Ze'ev Snir.[32]Thomas D. Crimmins of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who has written about the possible Israeli strike on Iran says that the F-22 may be the only current aircraft that can evade the Russian S-300 air defense system which the Russians may transfer to Iran. Given the export limitations on the F-22, Israel's lack of any F-22s may force it to preemptively strike the Nuclear program of Iran before the delivery of the S-300 to Iran.[33]
Some Australian politicians and defense commentators have proposed that Australia purchase F-22s instead of the F-35.[34][35] In 2006, the Australian Labor Party supported this proposal on the grounds that the F-22 is a proven, highly capable aircraft, while the F-35 is still under development.[36] However, the Howard government ruled out purchase of the F-22, on the grounds that it is unlikely to be released for export, and does not have sufficient ground/maritime strike capacity.[37]
In 2007, the Australian government ordered a review of plans to procure the F-35 and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. This review will include an evaluation of the F-22's suitability for Australia; moreover, then Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon stated: "I intend to pursue American politicians for access to the Raptor".[38] In February 2008, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he had no objection to sale of the Raptor to Australia, but Congress would have to change the law.[39]
On 28 October 2009, President Barack Obama signed the 2010 defense authorization bill (H.R. 2647) which included provisions requiring the DoD to prepare a report on the costs and feasibility for an F-22 export variant and another report on the impact of F-22 export sales on the U.S. aerospace industry.[40][41]
Ban on exports
No opportunity for export currently exists because the export sale of the F-22 is barred by American federal law.[25] Most current customers for U.S. fighters are either acquiring earlier designs like the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, or else are waiting to acquire the F-35 Lightning II (the Joint Strike Fighter), which contains technology from the F-22 but is designed to be cheaper, more flexible, and available for export from the start. The F-35 will not be as nimble as the F-22 or fly as high or as fast, but its radar and avionics will be more advanced.[26]
The Japanese government reportedly showed interest in buying F-22s in its Replacement-Fighter program for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF).[27] If it were to occur, it would most likely involve a "watered-down" export variant while still retaining most of its advanced avionics and stealth characteristics. However, such a proposal would still need approval from the Pentagon, State Department and Congress. In addition the high per aircraft costs and the very high operating expenses would require a lifting of the popular 1 percent of GDP military budget ceiling in Japan.[28] On 9 June 2009, Japanese Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada said that Japan still seeks the F-22.[29]
The US Congress upheld the ban on F-22 Raptor foreign sales during a joint conference on 27 September 2006.[30] After talks in Washington in December 2006, the US DoD reported the F-22 would not be available for foreign sale.[31]
"The IAF would be happy to equip itself with 24 F-22s, but the problem at this time is the US refusal to sell the aircraft, and its $200 million price tag."
Israeli Air Force (IAF) chief procurement officer Brigadier-General Ze'ev Snir.[32]Thomas D. Crimmins of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who has written about the possible Israeli strike on Iran says that the F-22 may be the only current aircraft that can evade the Russian S-300 air defense system which the Russians may transfer to Iran. Given the export limitations on the F-22, Israel's lack of any F-22s may force it to preemptively strike the Nuclear program of Iran before the delivery of the S-300 to Iran.[33]
Some Australian politicians and defense commentators have proposed that Australia purchase F-22s instead of the F-35.[34][35] In 2006, the Australian Labor Party supported this proposal on the grounds that the F-22 is a proven, highly capable aircraft, while the F-35 is still under development.[36] However, the Howard government ruled out purchase of the F-22, on the grounds that it is unlikely to be released for export, and does not have sufficient ground/maritime strike capacity.[37]
In 2007, the Australian government ordered a review of plans to procure the F-35 and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. This review will include an evaluation of the F-22's suitability for Australia; moreover, then Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon stated: "I intend to pursue American politicians for access to the Raptor".[38] In February 2008, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he had no objection to sale of the Raptor to Australia, but Congress would have to change the law.[39]
On 28 October 2009, President Barack Obama signed the 2010 defense authorization bill (H.R. 2647) which included provisions requiring the DoD to prepare a report on the costs and feasibility for an F-22 export variant and another report on the impact of F-22 export sales on the U.S. aerospace industry.[40][41]
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Gentlemen,
To me, that video was heart breaking. We paid all of the development costs to create the F-22. It is FAR more capable than the F-35. We were supposed to build 700 of them. Then they cut it to 500. Then 300. Now we are going to produce less than 100 of these planes. Not enough to make a real difference in a major conflict. What a waste. :frown
At least we are unilaterally eliminating half of our nuclear arsenal as well. God help the USA.
Chip
Gentlemen,
To me, that video was heart breaking. We paid all of the development costs to create the F-22. It is FAR more capable than the F-35. We were supposed to build 700 of them. Then they cut it to 500. Then 300. Now we are going to produce less than 100 of these planes. Not enough to make a real difference in a major conflict. What a waste. :frown
At least we are unilaterally eliminating half of our nuclear arsenal as well. God help the USA.
Chip
Looks like it is a time for change in the politics of the USA! November is just around the corner and Searchlight is a great place to retire!
Fast Freddy
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Waldo
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187 aircraft was the last production number I've seen.
A friend of mine will stand up the first F-35 squadron on Friday. To say I would love to go work for him would be an understatement.
Best Regards,
Waldo
Waldo,
I hope they do build 187, though that # is inadequate. I read that the current administration wants to cancel the program entirely.
You would look good in an F-35! There is a vertical takeoff version of the F-35 right? :thumbsup
Chip
Waldo
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The F-35B will be a STOVL (short take off, vertical landing) version. This will be the version that replaces the USMC's AV-8Bs and F/A-18s.
The AV-8 was originally built as a VSTOL (vertical/short take off & landing) aircraft, but in reality, has operated as a STOVL aircraft as well.
Best Regards,
Waldo
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While I love to see the F35 come on line ... I hate to see the others go.
Knowing the Red Devils were assigned to my AO made things better. The sound an F/A 18 makes during a pass will ALWAYS sound like salvation to me.
Now I know why my grandfather had tears in his eyes when I was 6 and he took me to see the "war birds" at my first air show.
Semper Fi
Knowing the Red Devils were assigned to my AO made things better. The sound an F/A 18 makes during a pass will ALWAYS sound like salvation to me.
Now I know why my grandfather had tears in his eyes when I was 6 and he took me to see the "war birds" at my first air show.
Semper Fi
BlackICE
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Will the United States Lose its Air Supremacy?
http://www.ecnmag.com/Blogs/2010/04/Will-the-US-lose-air-superiority/
The announcement of Russia’s newest fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi PAK FA, stunned the world. To put it succinctly, the “Future Frontline Aircraft System” is a game-changer. Its closest rival is the F-22 Raptor, and yet production on the United States’ premier air-superiority fighter has been scrapped in favor of the F-35. Are we repeating the mistakes of the past?
http://www.ecnmag.com/Blogs/2010/04/Will-the-US-lose-air-superiority/
The announcement of Russia’s newest fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi PAK FA, stunned the world. To put it succinctly, the “Future Frontline Aircraft System” is a game-changer. Its closest rival is the F-22 Raptor, and yet production on the United States’ premier air-superiority fighter has been scrapped in favor of the F-35. Are we repeating the mistakes of the past?